CNN Vows Discretion with Saddam Execution Video — But Has No Problem Showing U.S. Soldiers Being Killed
**UPDATE: al-IRAQIYA TELEVISION VIDEO OF SADDAM EXECUTION AT BOTTOM OF THIS POST**
This is unbelievable ! I have watched Anderson Cooper on CNN twice in the last hour explain to viewers that they will use all means possible to not shock their audience with gruesome execution video of Saddam Hussein. CNN has the audacity to say this while simultaneously showing file footage of the dead bodies of gassed Kurds.
CNN is responsible for showing terrorist propaganda video from Iraqi insurgents of snipers killing U.S. Soldiers — No moral claim here! To further this hypocrisy they also have this stuff available for viewing at their “CNN On Demand” web site!
Courtesy: Michel Malkin
CNN is broadcasting for the enemy directly into American homes. Anderson Cooper even had the gall to state to the Iraqi Deputy Ambassador to the U.N. that his government was a “puppet government” set up by the United States. Earlier commentator Jon Alterman said that the trial and execution of Saddam was entirely run by the U.S. Military and the Bush administration! Outrageous!
Someone please fire a missile down the air-shaft of the CNN headquarters in Atlanta right now and stop “Baghdad Cooper” once and for all!
**UPDATE: al-IRAQIYA TELEVISION VIDEO OF SADDAM EXECUTION**
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This is why, whenever that particular “news” organization is on the air, I change the channel. Or go outside and smoke. Or something. The Crescent News Network has never been my fave, ahem. But, hell, Fox is getting pretty shaky most of the time now. It’s getting absolutely ludicrous to find other than msm crap anywhere.
Anderson Cooper,I don’t even know what he looks like, quit watching that garbage Station years ago.Every one who gets his or her news from these people,deserves the misinformation they get.
Well, this is obviously because CNN grieves the loss of Saddam and revels in the deaths of the U.S. soldiers. I mean, that’s clearly the only reasonable explanation to be drawn here.
I started to comment on your post but since my comment was pretty long I decided to cut and paste it over to fill a post for my (attempt at a) blog for today. Check it out if you’d like.
http://donnatoo.blogspot.com/2006/12/oer-at-one-of-blogs-i-visit-frequently.html#links
Though I’m glad Hussein is gone – along with Augusto Pinochet, another war criminal -this is still “porn torture” at the very least. They’re not going to show this video directly, but the right-wing blogs will link to it over and over again. Hussein’s sons were shown dead on TV, and you know the father has plenty of history with Donald Rumsfeld and Bush the Elder.
” and you know the father has plenty of history with Donald Rumsfeld and Bush the Elder”…
Very true. I suspect now we will find someway to get out of Iraq since the real mission has been accomplished.
Exactly… since Saddam was the one that blew up the World Trade Center, right? So, Mission Accomplished, and don’t let the door hit you on the ass on your way out of Iraq!
Seriously, Bush is such a fucking jackass. No justice here. I’m against death pemnalty fucking illiterate texan
Go BUSH! At least he has the balls to fight extremism and injustice even if he’s not perfect. I’d like to see any of you do the same. Are you perfect?? NO!!! So stfu and go help your brothers and sisters in IRAQ and around the world. Or you can sit on your ass and bitch and whine all day. Do you not see the threat posed by women beating, religious zealot muslims? Open your eyes and taste the blood before you are next!!!!
The execution of saddam was a complete shambles. Here in the U.K. executions were carried out quickly and without cameras! They took seconds thanks to the extraordinary competance of British hangmen. Saddam’s was a legacy of brutality and barbarism. If he had to die, as i believe he did then, it says more for those of us who claim to be civilized to have sent him on his way quickly, quietly and without the circus. He is facing a higher and sterner judgment than any of us could hope to bestow!
and for the record. CNN did in fact play a discretionary warning while they played the “propaganda video” Of Iraqi Snipers. And yes they did in fact state that is was a propaganda video made by insergents. But i can tell that none of you actually watched the video. Because at no time did they show any soldiers face, or them actually being shot. But thanks for playing.
Go Bush?!? WTF? The dumb bastard has caused too many deaths of our own soldiers and the deaths of too many innocent Iraqi’s. Last time I checked this is not OUR war, yet the commander in chief of f-up’s is forever yelling “we will win this war”…. a war that WE started for NO reason other than his desire to avenge his father’s failure the first go round with Hussein. Puhleeze… this is the kind of man you vote for? When’s the last time he actually mentioned the REAL threat against America? You know, Osama Bin Laden, the one actually responsible for crimes against the USA. That’s OUR war yet near to nothing is being done about him. Go Bush…. straight to hell.
Wow, the ignorance some of those comments show and how misinformed they are is just pathetic. You’d think being an American Citizen you would want to know more factual information than just what you see on CNN. No one person or groups of people will shut CNN down, so you can stop holding your breath now. However, there are many good news sources online now a days, and did you really think there wasn’t going to be a leak of the execution on the net? If so, you’re wrong. Research more and you’ll always find answers. Calling Bush a jackass is incredibely juvenile. Back it up with some intelligent opinions and maybe more polititians would be taking the average citizen more seriously.
One Day Bush Will Die. Theres no justice in US or Iraq. All are fucking assholes
USA is Gonna face real trouble in future!
According to Mr. Angel, we should all “Open [our] eyes and taste the blood before [we] are next!!!”
Considering the way this president has consolidated power, treated civil liberties and accused everyone not named Bush or Cheney of being disloyal and unpatriotic (not to mention just plain stupid), maybe we SHOULD worry about being “next”. Unfortunatly, the larger threat comes from our OWN ethnocentric zealots.
(Love all those EXCLAMATION POINTS !!!! and CAPITAL LETTERS, not to mention the mixed metaphors.)
Seriously, Bush is such a fucking jackass. No justice here. I’m against death pemnalty fucking illiterate texan
Speaking of illiterate…….maybe you should reread your post….like it or not he made it to the Presidency……and you ?
Bush Killed more than 10000000 zillionz of ppl in Afghanistan, Iraq, Lebanon, n in Vietman… Bush is a terrorist! hes gonna soon…! Bush u cant hide!! Every’1s watiching u..
Wow, I love the anti-american Liberal speek going on here. Not really! That was some sarcasm at it’s finest. Truly (truly.equal) and Garbage (Garbage bush) people like you make me sick to my stomach. Typical Left Wing twisting of the truth. Our government never said Hussein was responsible, I believe they said Bin Laden and the Taliban that supported him, and just for your poor memory the leader of the 9/11 attacks was an Iraqi Republican Guard and Iraqi Intel Officer. Just the facts. Secondly, Bush is our elected leader, elected by a majority of our population to serve our best interests, and he has done a fine job, I notice that your Liberal Media doesn’t say a word about our economy right now, it is doing wonderful. It is so typical for Left Wingers to rant about the government that they elected instead of spreading their cause enough to get things done on any level. Liberals are all talk and no action when it comes to every aspect of government. Lastly, I would like to comment on the death penalty, I Love It. What you folks (Democrats) really stand for is redistributing the wealth to those who haven’t worked for it. Pathetic.
Just to see this pathetic figure arriving at the gallows is quite disturbing. I know as much as anyone how evil this man was. I have taken part in the military efforts to kick him out of powre. But nothing is as barbaric as supposedly civilised human beings condoning and participating in the cold-blooded killing of another. It’s a quick solution by the US Government to dealing with this guy that they wish had been killed when they found him cowering in a hole. The death penalty is truly barbaric.
Most of the US media shields the US public from what is really going on. They all wanted this, so why can they not look at it? Show your children what adults do to one another, what a great world we live in, one ignorant person didn’t even know that hanging still took place!!
My family aren’t safe while two of the greatest dictators are still on the loose committing attrocities in the name of democracy, justice and freedom. I refer of course to Blair and Bush.
I’m not denying that Saddam Hussein was guilty of many terrible crimes, but what makes him so different from Blair and Bush? Nothing!! They lie and cover-up their crimes, shield their people from the truth and get away with anything because people are too ignorant, stupid or afraid to stand up to them.
What a great New Year for our children.
OK Guy whts done is done… Saddam Hussain is no longer exist…he died (RIP).
whos gonna safe the bush? hes a bigger terrorist than Saddam hussain..
I am amazed at the total lack of anything above this post (with the exception of mine) making any sense at all. Bush Asshole, that is a lot of zeros (people killed), and J.R. Tracy what are you talking about. Name one civil liberty you have even remotely lost since Bush took power, he has not consolidated any power over the U.S. population only his ability to get things done faster, so a repeat of the whole Clinton era mistake, of not taking out Bin Laden when he had the chance. The only real consolidation of power he COULD take is implementing the WAR POWERS ACT and instituting a Declaration of War, which by the way has not happened since 1941. Your elected Congress called for the War on Terror and all but 2 or 3 people disagreed with it, Democrats included. lastly, I have not heard Bush or Cheney accuse anyone of being unpatriotic, although I will gladly accuse you of it right now. Get your facts straight and make some sense and do some research before you assume what it is you are hearing is the truth. Liberal media doesn’t neccesarily lie, they just tell half truth’s about everything.
Al-Qaida is doing well to get Rid of him ;)
As a Canadian I watch the US in quite bewilderment.
Four years ago almost everyone agreed to go into Iraq and take out Saddam. When the going got tough the tide shifted to the blame game. Does everyone forget that Saddam was lobbing missiles into Israel, torching Kuwait, warring with Iran, gasing his own people and ‘making claim that he had nukes’.
Does everyone forget that he broke almost 20 UN resolutions? He had all the time in the world to stop doing what he was doing and end his inevitable demise.
How long do you think it would have been before he got his hands on some real serious weapons?
As Americans in an odd way you should be happy that you can degrade your president in such a childish manner… I guess it makes you feel better. If you were in Iraq during Saddam’s time, you would have been thrown off a roof with a sack over your head, beaten and electrocuted or chopped up in little pieces and shipped off to your significant other.
I watched on television as some people tried to tell the US people that there were no weapons of mass destruction and as a nation you shut these people down.
For such a great and powerful nation there sure seems to be a lot of whiners down there!
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George W. Bush, in his unprovoked attack against the sovereign nation of Iraq, openly violated the UN Charter, to which the US is a signatory. The Charter’s core principles contained in Article 2(4) and Article 51 prohibit one nation from attacking another except in self-defense or with the authority of the U.N. In effect, George Bush launched an unlawful use of force against persons and property.
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The invasion launched by George W. Bush was heralded by the most frightening and powerful use of force and military violence in recent history. His Shock and Awe bombardment of Baghdad was designed to intimidate and coerce the government as well as the civilian population of that nation to change its existing leadership. That, in itself, was a political objective.
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The purpose of the invasion and ensuing occupation of Iraq was to replace the existing dictatorship with an American-backed form of democracy that would not permit the emergence of a government headed by the majority Shia religious leadership. These motives were unquestionably political and social.
The war is worse than terrorism. If we are going to worry about something, we need to worry more about the prospect that a bunch of fools in Washington may be too ignorant to see that they are personally responsible for harming more Americans than Osama Bin Laden himself, and that their complicity in the continuation of this war poses a greater threat to the security of the American people than terrorism does.
You guys should switch to Al Jazeera :-)
It is amazing how our media outlets create a whole new reality for liberals to live in. Has anyone hear seen the movie “Wag the Dog,” that is what most of the media in this country does now, they don’t report evenly, FOX News did at one time but they are slipping, the entire media outlet has become a political war in Newspapers and TV, period. I have spent time in the Middle East (Afganistan, Pakistan, Iraq, Isreal, Kuwait and a number of other smaller countries and I can report to you, that CNN, MSNBC, and all the Networks NBC, ABC, CBS DO NOT report the TRUTH, only half truths. It is very sad that they have taken CONTROL of you, the Liberals, in this country. You should not fear our ELECTED government, but you should fear the stations you watch, the papers you read and the sewing circle of half truths passed from one person to another. They are using you to create a hatred for the government and Republicna views, period. I have travelled, fought and seen my brothers die in defense of freedom. If you knew the scale and magnitude of the force we have applied to keep this country safe you would be amazed and grateful to people like George Bush, and the many other people who have taken Proactive action to thwart the advance of Terrorists, their organizations and most importantly DIRECT ACTION against our people.
I have news for you, we have taken the WAR to them, on their TURF and on OUR TERMS, that is a Win all by itself. That is why Republicans are happy with the progress Bush and the Congress has made over the last five + years. We have won, there is no way to deny it. No more attacks here, no more U.S. civilians killed (on U.S. soil). Let me break it down for you. We have lost 3,000 troops in this conflict, the Iraqi Police have lost over 12,000 in the last three years. We are winning, the only real issue at hand isn’t winning or losing, because we have won, but hwo long do we help them police their own country, not very much longer I hope, because as far as I am concerned we are done there!
Easyreferral, you are the Man, you are more American than these Americans posting around me, I love you Brother, and your country, and I think we need more people like you in my Beloved United States.
Respectfully,
Michael Arnett
that vid woz borin y didnt they show all of it he deserved 2 b hung n it should be shown every where!!!! just show it all!!!!
First off, Jessica, we did attack Afganistan and Iraq in defense of our nation, and even though the Intel sucked on Iraq, I didn’t hear the UN whining about our supposed illegalinvasion into Iraq, and here’s why, Iraq ignored 20+ Resolutions and spit in the face of the UN, UN leader and his brother (Kofi Annan) were enbroiled in the Oil for Food scandel, and although the resolution allowing for direct action against them was not put through, all were in agreement on the subject without voting, if the UN did not agree with our actions they would have filed a Resolution to attempt to stop us, and they did not, they didn’t even try. Here’s why, they know they would have created a rift that would have been unreppairable and would have eventually led to the US leaving the UN, (The UN isn’t very popular with the US people these days) and we support the UN financially, militarily and politically. Lastly, how many nations joined forces with us when the whole thing started, a lot. You are going to tell me that the French went to afganistan because Bush told them to, I don’t think so. Let me tell you something, there are a great majority of countries in the world that fully support what we are doing, and they have sent troops to assist, to this day, although you never hear that on Liberal Media Outlets. France(arguably the most anti-war country around), Germany, England, the Dutch, Isreali, Australia, Pakistani, Indian, Ethiopian, Canadian, ect. ect. and most of those countries are still fighting in the Middle East next to our Brothers.
why did you cut off tha video b4 tha end bit?????
here the video full emule
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Love ya Carla!
The fall of america will be the fault of the ultra liberal left anti-americans, I can see it now, they have already taken over much of the power of the US.
Once those liberals let every single illegal alian in, there will be more than enough terrorists to take over our country and the ultra liberals will join them and execute any political opponents.
Trust me, if our nation keeps on going farther to the left, our nation will fall like rome!
As i was reading, I saw that there was a fair bit of disagreement in regards to CNN’s political stance. I think that although CNN, might be, “bringing the enemy into our homes.” they do it with enough discretion to flip the message in such a way that the people of the US will extract an entirely different meaning then that of which a Middle Eastern person would. I am not taking sides here, just I am trying to act as a median between the two main arguments presented here. I respect CNN’s desire to report the truth, but maybe if they are governmentally controlled has anyone ever considered that just maybe they are trying to scare us? The entire US population has been brought up to fear the terrorist with good reason, but does that mean that we should also use that fear to fuel the quest for oil? Or the destruction of a country just because we don’t like how they think? I think that the next time we decide to venture into a war, we should first take a step backwards and think, “what are we fighting for?” or maybe more importantly,”who are we fighting for?”
I agree with Marcus, although some of your ideas are a little distorted. First off, I think that because of your reluctance to, ” take a side.” I must say it is hard to see from where you are coming from. I can also see, that you must be in very high regards with Bush. (sarcasm) The question, “who are we fighting for?” I think can be answered pretty easily. When the idea of going into Iraq was first proposed, much of the senate and congress was behind the idea, and because they are our elected officials, dont they represent the people? The soldiers in our armies never join because they want to fight in the name of one person, or one company, but for our nation as a whole, for the people back home. That is the main reason why I must agree with you, because the missuses of our military will eventually tear this country apart. The rest of the world, will not stand by for long as the US decides to invade country after country, in hopes of increasing its own economic wealth. I end with my own image of the US, a hungry fire, devouring everything it can in order to stay alive what the people of the US cannot realize is that maybe just like the ancient civilization of Rome, is that they are consuming themselves and that eventually given the way that the present leader of the US is leading his country, the US will not be a superpower for much longer.
Garbagebush has a lot of nerve calling Bush illiterate when he spells “pemnalty”
Watch your mouth creep Anyone can use the F word.
Read some blogs of people who live in Iraq and see if they believe their government is puppets! Here is my favorite: http://riverbendblog.blogspot.com/ (plus their are other links there).
fuck bush. saddam was president when he did those crimes. saddam was not judged corectly. if saddam was suposed to die he should be killed after a fair trial not for the death of 150 people but for the death of 10000 or more. bush killed saddam quicly because bush planed to begin 2007 without saddam.
bush killed more people then saddam.
bush stold irak oil
bush should be in saddam place.
No… the liberal media doesn’t lie they simply tell part of the story. True journalism should tell the whole story.
I remember in grade school, the 5 W’s. Lately the media has forgotten these……..
Happy New Year all and it is great to live in America!
arnett,
You are a dumb, angry American. Why aren’t you in Iraq, hero? Other priorities?
Next to his parents, who spawned the monster, George W. Bush is the worst human on earth and you voted for him. Way to go.
Did I mention you are dumb?
Wow has hit the nail on the head. We The People need to educate the rest of the public on the realities of the world around us. He is exaclty right, the ultra Left will ruin this country if the rest of the population doesn’t begin to see the world and the Liberal views for what they are. Pathetic.
I had a political science professor put it best, he said,
“The Republicans want you do do things for youself and not rely on the Government, while Democrats want the Government to provide everything for you, at the expense of the rest of the population.”
This is the best explanation of the differing opinions between the Left and Right. The Left falls on it’s face becasue providing services and money for the non-working (welfare-baby style) family has to come from somewhere and it comes right from our own pockets in the form of taxes. More services equals more taxes, and I do not support government programs that promote laziness and futher the inefficiency of those style families. Why should I pay for someone elses problems or bad decisions. I refuse to and that is what makes me dispise the Liberal way of life.
To those of you who cannot seem to make any comment without fowl language and name-calling…do you really believe that this makes you more credible? Quite the contrary. It only emphasizes your inability to engage in intelligent dialogue using real facts and thoughtful commentary, therefore rendering your remarks absurd and of no value. Kudos to those of you who are actually using the brain God gave you. Have you noticed that the fowl, unintelligible remarks almost always come from the “haters”, usually “Bush haters”. and contain nothing worth reading. I would have to surmise that this venue does give them a chance to spew their hatred along with their expletives without actually hurting someone. Maybe that’s a good thing. God bless America!
How to post like a moron……….
“fuck bush. saddam was president when he did those crimes. saddam was not judged corectly. if saddam was suposed to die he should be killed after a fair trial not for the death of 150 people but for the death of 10000 or more. bush killed saddam quicly because bush planed to begin 2007 without saddam.
bush killed more people then saddam.
bush stold irak oil
bush should be in saddam place.”
“OK Guy whts done is done… Saddam Hussain is no longer exist…he died (RIP).
whos gonna safe the bush? hes a bigger terrorist than Saddam hussain..”
And the winner……………..
“Garbage bush Says:
December 31st, 2006 at 8:29 am
Seriously, Bush is such a fucking jackass. No justice here. I’m against death pemnalty fucking illiterate texan”
Wow. Spelling and grammar must have gone out with the age of chivalry and reason.
If you must rant please do it with a margin of intelligence. Banging out an angry retort like the crap above makes you look like an idiot and I will immediately dismiss you opinion. For god’s sake, if you can’t master the simple art of writing intelligently how can you possibly be smart enough to hold a view on world politics.
The fact of the matter is President Bush was fairly elected……. Has he done the best job? Who knows. We can sit and second guess all we want. I’m not in the oval office and neither is anyone else. Let him do the job as he sees fit. History will tell if it’s good or bad.
Did Saddam deserve to be hung? I say yes. That being the case I agree with Clarky U.K. Carry it out quickly and quietly.
No need for anyone to broadcast a video of an execution. There is no conceivable way that two and a half minutes of crap could in any way enrich you life……….
wow how could u enjoy this video i think it is wrong to kill some 1 for something they did not commit …. the only reason saddan hussein killed 148 people is because they were gnna kill him first .. and i think goerge bush is an ass whole who only thinks bout him self and his family and he is a daddys boys .. well guess wat one day the world will noe the truth the only reason george bush killed saddam is becuz of them stupid jews and the oil crisis he is in.. well let me tell all of u something the day tht geroge bush dies will be the day tht the whole arab nation will stand up as one and will live their lives with out fear with out fearing bomb crashing threw their home with out fearing his shity ass soilders…but when he dies all of us arabs will have the biggest party america has ever seen …….. and one more thing i cant belive u guys always believe the news and wat u hear .. we all noe mostly everything we hear on the news is yellow journalism
this is the video right here —> http://one.revver.com/watch/130549
I was against the war, i hated the lies they told us to start the war! i think Saddam’s execution is the only good thing to come out of it so far… i think other countries should now play apart in rebuilding Iraq, they have made there point that they didnt agree with the war, but now its time the world pulled together for the people of Iraq…. there the ones that matter now…… lets hope its over as soon as posable……
Bush is a bigger terrorist than Saddam Hussain.. Bush killed more people then Saddam. He should be in Saddam place. I love Americans But I abominate Bush.No one can save you Mr.Bush.
LOL. I saw better movies on ogrish.com snipe shots ;). That’s the fake movie. Show his neck, show his broken, purple neck! Is it the best shot of most important moment in XXI age? Why quality of this movie is so bad? Kids making parkout movies show better quality with they amatore cameras. Why they cover his neck like a baby’s ass, cover from the scrach. Is he dictator who killed tousands of people? What’s this? LOL
There is no democracy, there is no freedom in the free world, there is only BIG HOAX of reality of free world living.
I have to say, as a US soldier, I found it APPALING that we weren’t given the satisfaction of seeing this bastard hang. I had to search for a video, and found a crappy one…and the sense of “ease” that I felt upon seeing it was amazing. Yes, I am sad that a “life” (if you can call it that) was ended—so smoothly. WIth all the evil that this man did, we should have tortured him to death.
Hey “Garbage Bush Says”…before you make fun of someones illiteracy…make sure you can spell, ok??? Ha ha ha…thanks for my laugh of the day!
Here is your quote: “pemnalty fucking illiterate texan”
What is a “Pemnalty”…and shouldn’t “texan” be capitalized? Texan??? ha ha ha…thanks again!
I like Red, White and Blue’s comment, very thoughtful and to the point. I am in total agreement, regardless of political views. The ability to put your thoughts into legible words is very important.
Canuck, I don’t understand your hatred towards me, and your comment about me being a Hero is displaced as well. I am not a Hero I am an American who is proud of his Country and his fellow Americans all over the World. I take perosnal offense to the allegations that I am Dumb, I have only commented on things I have experienced and seen first hand through the last 12 of 30 years of my life. I am not angry at all, and I am not in Iraq because I am no longer in the Military. I have given many years to that cause and now I am Self Employed with a great future in the private sector. The difference between you and I is that I still support my troops even though I am not standing next to them in the field anymore. There is no Hate coming from me, just a bewilderment that soooooo many people can be misguided by Liberal Schooling and Media. The brainwashing doesn’t come from the Government, it comes from privately owned Liberal Media that the Government cannot regulate because it would infringe on civil liberties. I just wish that the growing Left Wing of younger Americans would research and care a little more about the things they hear and not accept it as Truth until they have looked at the background on subjects and objectively formed their own opinions before accepting the things they hear and taking them on Faith alone.
Mohammed, what are you talking about, how can love Americans and call Bush a bigger terrorist than Saddam. How many people has Bush killed or ordered killed, not a single person. Bush did not send our troops to Iraq or Afganistan, the Congress did, Democrats and Republicans alike, whom were elected by Americans to sit in Congress. How many people has he killed in our Country, Zero. You cannot even put the Executions in Texas on him, because all of those people were found guilty by a Jury of their Peers, in a Court of Law and sentenced by them to DIE. Bush didn’t order their executions, their Fellow Americans did. Bush just denied Appeals and allowed the Jury’s verdict to be carried out. He would have been a poor Governor if he did not allow the Peoples Verdicts to be carried out! Your view and evidence supporting your view are lackluster and pretty poor to say the least!
I don’t like you Mr.Bush. You are the bigger terrorist than Saddam Hussain. You are killing innocent Rraqi and also many innocent USA Army. Plzzz… stop this war…. I wish you will die very soon. I will pray for it.
The more I read and hear commentary on this issue—particularly from fellow Americans—the more I become convinced that those most vocal about supporting the execution of Hussein are the least knowledgable about the events preceeding it. To suggest that this trial and its aftermath is “justice” is to ignore both the basis for the trial and the parties benefitting from Hussein’s execution.
You have to go back to the events in 1980 surrounding the legislation passed by the Ba’thist Hussein regime outlawing the Islamic Da’wa Party to fully understand this issue. In summary, this party was outlawed for their role in assisting Iran in its efforts to undermine the authority of Hussein’s government during a time of tense diplomatic relations between these countries (a tension which culminated in the Iran-Iraq War (1980-1988).) Undermining the Ba’thist regime (or even the previous governments of Iraq, for that matter) was certainly not new to the Da’wa Party; they’d been organizing to do just that since their inception in the 1950’s.
The Da’wa Party (at the behest of Iran) attempted no less than four attempts at assasinating key Iraqi government officials (one on Tariq Aziz, two on Hussein and one on his son, Uday.) It was the attempts at Aziz (1980) and the first against Hussein in 1982 that led to the Dujail incident (1982) and trial (1984)—-the very incident upon which Hussein’s 2006 trial and execution was based. Those accused of affiliating with Da’wa were prosecuted at trial and eventually executed (46 or so died prior to trial, of course.) They were prosecuted as traitors, and suffered the penalties allowed under the law for wartime collusion with identified enemies of Iraq.
Does it impress any of the supporters of this action that the very organization (Da’wa) behind the 1982 Dujail incident is also behind the trial and execution of Hussein in 2006? And further that this same organization was suspected in the bombings of the American and French embassies in Kuwait? Those chants of “Muqtada” at Hussein’s execution are not coincidental, folks. When the present Iraqi Prime Minister is Da’wa, the presiding trial judge is a relative of Kurds gassed by Hussein’s government, and the investigative judge responsible for reviewing and approving the proof offered at Hussein’s trial is a Shia appointed by the CPA, the outcome of the trial and its consequence was not hard to predict.
I am afraid we have simply exchanged a devil we knew pretty well with ones we know but have little diplomatic influence or control over. Muqtada al-Sadr will become the new Hussein, and we will continue to flop back and forth over our role in destabilizing Iran (the real point of the “regime change” in Iraq.)
This incident will have political repercussions for the US for decades, and will unfortunately result in far more bloodshed than could have ever been anticipated. If we were as politically savvy as we pretend to be, we would have left Hussein in place and worked to strengthen his opposition to Iran. We had the opportunity to do that before pushing Iraq our of Kuwait in the 1990’s, but made the wrong call (yet again.) We simply don’t understand the Middle East (not even Saudi Arabia,) and have to become far more educated and sophisticated in our dealings in that part of the world.
http://www.law.case.edu/saddamtrial/entry.asp?entry_id=15
(testimony of witnesses to Dujail incident are members of Da’wa–the organization behind the 1980, 1982 and 1987 assassination attempts)
http://hrw.org/reports/2006/iraq1106/5.htm#_Toc151270352
http://hrw.org/reports/2006/iraq1106/5.htm#_ftn203
(evidence of the alleged “murders” by Hussein provided by organization formed from
Da’wa members who fled to Iran and elsewhere)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_Dawa_Party
(history of Da’wa Party in Iraq and Iran. Not the best source, but offers a good summary)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nouri_al-Maliki
(Da’wa affiliation of present Iraqi Prime Minister)
http://english.aljazeera.net/news/archive/archive?ArchiveId=21315
(presiding trial judge related to gassed Kurds)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muqtada_al-Sadr
(history of al-Sadr and his role in the present Iraqi government)
Graphic! What was so graphic about that. You show more graphics when a US Miltary Humvee is blown up by a rode side bomb. I guess if I want to see the entire video I’ll need to go to http://www.rotten.com
Listen….
I am an American Soldier… I have put my money where my mouth is…. I also have a degree in Political Science with an emphasis in Foreign Policy and an Honors Degree in Preparation for Legal Study…
Most importantly, I am a human being who tries to do the right thing…
However, while I see that the “Market place of ideas” is full of customers in this blog, I see a reaccuring commonality between two sides of Americans whom I believe have the best interest of their country in mind while their opinions have been spilt on to this blog with passion and anger and a feeling of uncontentness that a large majority of Americans now feel…
One side believes that the so called Radical Right wing of this country has enabled President Bush to invade another country preemptively without due cause…and the other side believes that there are many justifications for preemptively striking what they see as a threat to the National Security of Americans…
I have comments for both sides… If you feel that there is a problem with the way that the so-called “War on Terrorism” is going, then vote… I would really like to know how many of the people who have made comments in this blog vote… Chances are that there are probably around 30% of those of us who have commented whom actually show up and vote…
I understand that some of us are upset with the slant of certain media outlets… CNN vs. Fox News vs. MSNBC… Ofcourse we are going to be upset with the onset of biased media… However, Fox is just as biased as CNN or MSNBC… To suggest otherwise is ludicrous… Ultimately freedom of the press, no matter how it is spun in the opinion of one side or the other, is one of the Civil Liberties that I have put my arm to the square and vowed to defend…. In my opinion, blaming the current sentiment of the American public on the so-called “Liberal Media,” is irresponsible and suggests that Americans are incapable of thinking for themselves and somehow the First Amendment has failed us…
On the other hand… the Americans and others around the world who are critical of the President and his policies are using another God given Civil Liberty that no man or Government can give nor take away… The bottom line here is that the majority of Americans are fedup with the current policy, while 31% still support the President’s policies…
The so-called wacko “Left wing liberals” are the large majority of Americans… So I say to you so-called “Radical right wing nutjobs,” come up with a better reason as to why the majority of Americans and the majority of the world for that matter are fedup… It is not because of the Libral media that I am sick of my comrades dying… It is not because of the Libral media that I am sick of hate festering around the world… What causes me to be fed up… is that the only answer to dealing with our current problem is to bulk up our Armed Forces…
It has been nearly four years folks and that is the “wrong dog gone answer.” We are failing and are so stretched thin… I think it’s about time that the President listen to the recommendations of the people who thing beyond a military solution… you can talk to the commanders on the ground until you are blue in the face… but they will not think beyond the capabilities of the Armed Forces… it’s not their job to… Therefore, let us respect the opinion of past Presidents like (R) Ford… and (D) Carter who have let us know that three current course will not lead us to success in Iraq…
The public spoke in November and we will speak again in 08’… make no mistake about that and when that time comes…. I hope you will vote! For whomever you think will “heal our nation.” Because folks… let’s be honest with ourselves, we are in desperate need of healing… I just hope is comes before 2008 & 09.
I wish you all and us all the best in the New Year and always!
Happy New Year!
Jimmy
No comments?
“I just wish that the growing Left Wing of younger Americans would research and care a little more about the things they hear and not accept it as Truth until they have looked at the background on subjects and objectively formed their own opinions before accepting the things they hear and taking them on Faith alone.”
I wish the government would have done that about Iraq,…..wait we did get intel stating that there was NO reason to invade, I guess somebody just ignored it. Maybe my brother would still be here if somebody would have used their head in DC. Maybe that is the problem with the left, we do listen and research and don’t just blindly follow our “elected” leaders. Questioning authority is what made this country what it is today.
I also thing that the right wing is getting very desperate in blaming the current majority opinion on the media… As President Bush said in defending his own policies, “You voted for it…so deal with it..” The country is going to vote his policies and anyone who thinks like him out… deal with it!!!
To the “right wing nutjobs” it’s amazing that you continue to comment about how you are so pro- war and winning and invading and continuing the same policy with other countries like Iran and No. Korea, but you are supposedely more Christian….
Contradiction anybody?
Get a clue…
Pat and Jimmy, I’m with you! We need a change in this country and it’s coming soon!
Fuck you all americans. Americans never respect other lives on this earth. Countless killings in iraq, Afghan, vietnam, japan, etc. Oneday the world will turn against america.
As a military wife and a proud American, I’m ashamed of all the horrible remarks made inthe media. The voices of those who think it’s funny to belittle our country, our government and our president…let me just ask this…someone tell us how to leave Iraq? Everyone can sit and spew their mouths at what our government is doing wrong, but no one has any better ideas! Our country does not get involved in every country’s issues…How about Rwanda? Wasn’t that country in need of assistance during Clinton’s adminstration? But we didn’t go and when we don’t interfere, everyone says “Where’s America now?”…Face it, America is a GREAT AND POWERFUL country and when you are on top (even if not perfect) everyone wants to see you fall. Are we going to tear ourselves down or become stronger? It seems as though we are falling fast.
Here in the U.K. we have a government that denied the right to life and human rights of young men sent to Iraq and blown to bits or shot dead Yet this same bunch of hypocrits is concerned over the welfare of pieces of excrement like Saddam Hussain. In my view we should empty the prisons of cold blooded killers, child molestors and the like and stop wasting tax-payers money keeping them alive. The majority of British rax-payers want the death penalty back for terrorists and premedidated murderers.
Although I respect pres gw… his decisions while in office are not representative of the entire country’s opinion as to what should have taken place internationally…furthermore the fact that people are so derogatory towards the current pres bush and his foreign policy is proof enough that the atrocity that occurred during the 1st and 2nd election for pres. is not acceptable….a re vote was in order… it seems that he took his position as opposed to winning it thru the election…. attacking what he has done since he has been in office is not by any means anti american…a key freedom americans enjoy is right of free speech whether it be for or against the elected leader but the problem is bush was not elected but selected….it is too late to complain about the gears he has set in motion… it is key now to make sure that his policy and ideals arent continued thru the following presidential terms…….vote or die
To the literate Texan:
I say, Power Corrpts and the Bush Administration’s abuse of power has corrupted absolutely… It is our God given right to question the policy our our government…it’s called checks and balances…it’s in the constitution…you might want to read it…
How do we leave Iraq? Well, we put one foot in front of the other….the same way that we left Vietnam!
Do not criticize those who question for questioning…our founding fathers questioned their government did they not?
I am a proud American and I am proud of those who do question!!!
Another NOB (North of the Boarder) wanting to get into this interesting conversation.
I am, as a Canadian, struck by the divisiveness that exists in the U.S. Liberals vs. Conservatives – Republicans vs. Democrats.
In the words of Rodney King, “can’t you all (we) just get along”?
The war in Iraq was, in my opinion, not necessarily wrong. What was “wrong” about the war was the premise that the U.S. (Bush) and Britain (Blair) gave for going to war. The WOMD angle was a farce and demonstrated the poor quality of both American and British intelligence reports.
I would really recommend a great read to everyone (yeah, I know, I’ll be accused of recommending a “liberal” author)…the book is called Imperial Life in the Emerald City: Inside Iraq’s Green Zone
by Rajiv Chandrasekaran
It is a fascinating read and really speaks to the mismanagement and poor infrastructure in post-war Iraq.
I know I am ranting here and a bit (well, maybe more than a bit) disjointed but, what I never hear from Republican supports is any acknowledgment that Bush and his cronies F***ED up. It’s as if everything they did with respect to foreign and/or domestic policy has been wonderful. “There ain’t no flies on us” says Mr. Bush.
Have people forgotten about Louisiana and the lack of a Federal goverment response to years of infrastructure decay? Yes, indeed, go to Iraq, Iran, North Korea and anywhere else your Govt believes there are “strategic interests” but let America fall to pieces.
These are the kind of news reports you get when you watch a liberal news outlet. They only show the things that they think will furthur their cause. In this case, to get our people out of Iraq. I have seen a number of videos showing our soldiers helping and playing with Iraqi children. But you wont see that on cnn. It won’t make us mad and want to get our people out of there.
HMMMM Bush was elected by a majority of US citizens!? WTF History book have you been reading numbskull, he was elected by cheating, he has no mandate, and he has made your country and mine more hated the we could ever believe possible.
I have gone through alot of these comments and it really pisses me off. All of you that bitch and complain about Bush being the bad person and how he should die-if you dont like our free country then fucking leave. Why dont you move to Iraq and see how it really is over there. My husband is over there fighting for your freedom that you obviously take for granted. Its really sad cause Im sure if the war came over here you wouldnt be so quick to open your mouths. I have lost many friends to this was and no I am not in total support of it especially since my husband has been over there three times now, but I also am not going to be a total bigot and go against the country I live in. Yes Bush has messed up in a lot of ways but we voted him as our President. Also we did not sentence Saddam the Iraq courts did. We just held him in our facilities. And also I agree with a lot of people on here who do have their facts straight but a lot of you need to shut up or learn your facts before you go bashing your President, cause if you lived Iraq and did that you would probably be the one executed.
This question has always bothered me, why is it “bad” and “depraved” to view porno and ok to watch someone getting executed? Some of the images seen on nightly news and internet feeds is horrible and I really have to question a society that is ashamed of sex and fascinated with killing, torture and death.
I am sure we in the US don’t have a monopoly on this morbid fascination with death but at least other societies around the world have a healthier view of sex.
Kevin…
Its not the media that makes people believe things… Otherwise you only think the way you do because of Fox News… Wake up… Stop blaming it on the media… Come up with a better excuse of why you are in the minority!
Leah,
Who do you agree with and why?
These idiots that run this “supposed” news media outfit should be ashamed and step down. It drives me crazy that these same executives making these calls continue to “censor” news according to their agenda. Whatever happened to free press??
…and Leah,
We don’t live in Iraq… It has only seemed like it for the last four years…
one more thing Leah…
Criticizing a person or an administration is not, as you said “going against our country.” Read the First Amendment “Congress shall make no law… abridging the freedom of speach, [or (to stop)] the right of the people peacably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievences.”
To Canuck: Think about it you stupid, ignorant Canadian, if it weren’t for us in The United States of America, your country would be a Soviet Union underground nuclear test site. It seems that you have no hindsite or foresite. Do you like opression? Go to Iraq or Iran or North Korea, see how you like it then. Should we just wait until Iran or North Korea blow the hell out of us and Canada? If we go down, Canada goes down, PERIOD!
I didn’t vote for Bush but I supported him in the war. It had to be done. Our country had absolute proof that Saddam was making weapons of mass destruction. Do you think that after killing his own people with nerve gas and the like that he disposed of all the weapons voluntarily? Of course not. He had plenty of time when the pressure was on to hide them or move them to another country before the war.
Finally, put yourself in the place of the countrymen he killed. Imagine their fear. Imagine the people that managed to live through these genocides with arms or legs blown off. Feel their pain as blood gushed out of them. Many of them trusted Saddam.
I believe you also only have one leg because the other one is up your butt.
Jimmy
No, trust me you think you know what goes on over there and you have no clue. They show you nothing on tv and the internet. My husband has been living it since September and before that he was over there two other times for 7 months apiece. Our country is a wonderful place to live, I know our President isnt that great but its not really his fault-he does what he is told by the ones in the UN and areas of the governtment. I just think that all these people who bash the soldiers and the goverment should have to go experience it over there. Maybe they wouldnt call our soldiers shitty, they would be scared so much they would beg to come back to america. You asked who I agreed with on here and I agree with some of the things you say, but not everything. Getting out of Iraq is not as easy as people think. Yeah it would be great cause then my husband would be here and safe again, but then what if the war comes over here. I dont know its just really sad that alot of people on here like humandbeing and Goofy bash the troops and americans but yet they live in america. But that is the beauty of america, you have the right to speak your mind and know you will not be killed for it.
Leah,
I am a Soldier as well.. I know what it is like over there… But I would just say that I think that you should differenciate between comments that criticize Pres. Bush and the troops… I have not felt offended by anything that has been said on this blog with regards to the President and I don’t think that you should either…
I feel for you… I know what it is like to be away from my family… There is a deep rotting feeling in my stomach everytime I have been deployed… I just don’t think that we are making any progress… not because of the inability of me and other troops, but because we have no clear mission and it is dragging on…
KEVIN WALKER, your an idiot and probably sitting on your couch jerkin-off watching a football game under your Elmo blanket.
US soldiers are in 100+ degree weather with sand in there socks trying to not get mutilated off or worse— killed. LITERATE TEXAN, don’t be stupid. How do we get out of IRAQ, the same way we there …airplanes and ships. Its a lost cause! Let’s cut the crap and keep it real! We ALL know those soldiers that died in this war, LOST (not gave) their lives in VAIN. Based on the orders of a ignorant unattached Texan. Of course some the families and loved ones will try to find some justification for their loss, “I’m proud of him or her”…”They were doing what they believed”….”They were defending our country”…BS. Those that lost their lives won’t see their daughters in their first ballet class, their sons try to hit a baseball, their sister get married, kiss their mom on the cheek and say happy mother’s day or drink a beer with their fathers. ITS OVER FOR THEM!! They are gone and their voices will never be heard again on this Earth except through a recording. And as long as we support this war in the name of patriotism or the spread of democracy, it will continue to end for a lot more of them.
That’s the unfortunate truth of it all. I’d prefer we defend this country from real threats like North Korea, immigration, terrorism and global warming. Can you imagine if we used all the money we’ve spent or have allocated for IRAQ to concur terrorists groups and improve our borders how much safer we would be!?
Amen Adam…
Amen and Amen…
My wife is pregnant and I will probably be in Iraq when my son is born and for the 1st year of his life…
Its true that Saddam did bad things. He deserved the punishment. Now its time for fucking Bush to be hanged (and that should be on chirstmas day) for his killings in afganisthan and iraq.
Bush, God forgive me, is the terrorist. This is a sad time. Sure Saddam is evil, but to be so arrogant to think that US government can justify the innocent lives for one evil dictator. Only to make things worse for our own country. He had brought EVIL and what will come, will be his GWB fault. Many more innocents will die, and America is shamed by the King of USA.
He needs to be hung, he is against all US laws and international laws and morals. God bless us. America, oh beautiful, is now foreign to me. I am so sad. I am helpless. We are under influence of an evil dictator. So, we will have the consequences of more innocence killed, against our wishes and wills.
Well That video sucked i was so hoping he would be beheaded…Guess that wont be happening…you know what every anti-Bush moron here can do…shove it up your asses saddam deserved worse…and as for all you damn muslims out there or whatever you piss skins are…America has always been a superpower dont get full of yourselves just yet…lets see you turn against us…that”ll be one more country full of piss stains we can wipe away…
I think all the partisanship is getting ridiculous. all of these politicians are off their rockers… the dems talk shit but make no ideas no, just like the republicans did in the clinton years. if you ask me (and i know i’ll take heat for this), blame reagan and nixon for the shape we are in today, the made stubborness and failing to listen to the american people “cool”. so conservatives, don’t blame clinton for where we are, and liberals, don’t blame bush for where we are. i don’t think either of them were particularly terriffic, but they are just following their belief system. you blame clinton for 9/11, well he stripped the cia because his side of the aisle believes in non-human spying, not because he wanted to al-qaeda a free pass. and you blame bush for afghanistan and iraq… well his side of the aisle is from the school of reaganism, and peace through strength.
as a side note (ironically the point of this article in the first place): i was not a supporter of this war, and still am not, but i think its great to see a brutal dictator hanged by his own people… if only the american government could learn to help causes like these without full scale military invasions.
It is not weak too value life…but think of the upset the arab nations have been casing us for years…i say we wipe em all and it will be the end..but i really dont care about others opinions…so write back i could care less all i know is we made an example out of saddam….maybe the idiot arabs will stop strapping bombs too themselves..it takes about 1 percent of brain power too run into a building and blow yourself up…lol….thats why the arabs will never be an america
So you can honestly tell me that you are not offended by the person that said “his shitty ass soldiers” and you are a soldier? And yes we actually we do have a misson right now, we are training their troops to protect their own people. We are trying to help them set up goverment in their country. If you are a soldier truly then you would be against alot of things on here. People are so against Saddam being hung on here and saying that Bush has killed Americans. Your arguement should be that Saddam killed way more than what he was charged for. He used to take women and have them beat, raped, tortued and killed in front of their husbands and families. He used to take babies and have them stung repeatedly by scorpians. He was a horrible person and Iraq needed to be rid of him. Yes the war was started on some false info but in the end Iraq has been made a better country because of america. And the people that say comments on how we steal their oil-no actually we started a oil for food program with Iraq and most of the oil you supposedly think we need from Iraq we are actually gettingfrom Iran. And when were you in Iraq?
and for all Americans on here blaming Bush and saying he should be hanged for killing too…got news for you morons i guess you think all your relatives that are in the army…and might i add are the ones doing the killings…i guess they should be hanged for volunteraliy signing themselves up too kill iraqis…Bush kills no one he sits in an office….your brothers sisters aunts uncles cousins nephews nieces do the killing…so shut up unless you support the hanging of the actual killers.
There were no terrorists in IRAQ before the US led invasion, just as there were no weapons of mass destruction. The current predicament faced by the US was inevitable, and the US government must be accountable for the action it has taken. The motivation for war was never about terrorism, it was about revenge and oil, and now it’s about excuses. The solution to the IRAQ problem is simple, give the jihadists what they have always wanted, get all westerners out of Saudi Arabia. Once all westerners are out of Saudi Arabia 90% of the Middle East problem will be solved, and US forces can be pulled out of IRAQ. The Saudi oil industry will of course collapse without western help but it will be worth the price. It certainly isn’t worth the sacrifice of another 3000 US military servicemen.
Please catch that Osama as well..
Everybody seems to ignore/forget the true enemy. OK..you won the game..got your oil..now go to the real war on terror.
So you can honestly tell me that you are not offended by the person that said “his shitty ass soldiers” and you are a soldier? And yes we actually we do have a misson right now, we are training their troops to protect their own people. We are trying to help them set up goverment in their country. If you are a soldier truly then you would be against alot of things on here. People are so against Saddam being hung on here and saying that Bush has killed Americans. Your arguement should be that Saddam killed way more than what he was charged for. He used to take women and have them beat, raped, tortued and killed in front of their husbands and families. He used to take babies and have them stung repeatedly by scorpians. He was a horrible person and Iraq needed to be rid of him. Yes the war was started on some false info but in the end Iraq has been made a better country because of america. And the people that say comments on how we steal their oil-no actually we started a oil for food program with Iraq and most of the oil you supposedly think we need from Iraq we are actually getting from Iran.
sorry I sent a few extra on accident. my computer messed up
Saddam’s trial was a Joke. If the US was at all serious about finding any sort of truth into the allegations that Saddam committed crimes against Humanity they would have tried him in the Haig.
But unfortunately for Saddam and the rest of the world th US had no interest in seeking truth or Justice. Saddam dead means he can never reveal the deals he made with Donald Rumsfeld the CIA or any other US Jackal.
George Bush, Dick Chenney and all those who brought the US into the war with Iraq have a lot to answer for. They have managed to destroy law and order in Iraq, turn it into a civil war and make a mockery out of the Statue of Liberty.
The US is on the Brink of Disaster. The economy is based on people spending money money that they don’t have. The US Military is over extended to a point that it would be difficult for it to defend a real threat to its Borders. And War Criminals stand in office as the President and vice president of the country.
REMEMBER ROME FELL Niro fiddled as Rome burned and so History perhaps repeats itself.
At the end of the day though, it’s certainly a great advert for the ‘freedom and democracy’ that Bush and Blair (please don’t forget our dear Prime Minister) promised to bring to Iraq isn’t it?
Grainy footage of a chanting mob of hooded fanatics stringing up an old man, in what appears to be an abandoned garage?
If I am truly a soldier? Don’t ever fucking talk to me like that and don’t ever fucking tell me what I should really think… I didn’t read anyone say “his shitty ass soldiers” I think you are smoking crack…Tell me the name and where it is in THIS blog… I have been in the Fucking Army for Six fucking long fucking years… Do you want to ask my family how that has been…
What if I told you that you are full of shit and that your husband isn’t over there and tell you what you should fucking think….
Nobody tells me what to fucking think… You herd me?
Stop thinking that you know so much… Make a comment but don’t you fucking tell me what I should fucking think… and to get the story striaght… as you said…
I AM THE FUCKING ONE WHO IS FIGHTING FOR YOUR FREEDOM!!!!
BY THE WAY
Iraq is not a better, safer country now! No matter what the fuck you think you know!
bush, the mother fucker. god will not leave him. he is the one , responsible for saddams death and all those american soldiers and afghanistanis death. bush is a sathan, who wants to rule the world . by killing american soldiers
It’s pretty hard to understand the thinking behind this. Were they actually trying to make Saddam into a martyr. If so, what purpose is that meant to serve? If not, they are obvious incompetents.
And the troops are not murderers. They are in a war zone, they are following orders, and not every soldier or marine kills during their time over there. And Im sure if you were put in Iraq you would kill if it meant your own life. and my husband did not join the military to kill Iraqi’s he signed up so he could have a better life for his family and he ended up being sent over there 3 times. Like I said before, if the war was over here you wouldnt be going against our troops and calling them killers. They are letting you sleep safe in your bed at night.
Blogging is gay… It’s run by all those librals who control the media… lol
Leah,
I think you are full of shit.. and that you just want to argue!!!
I’m out…
Are they though? I mean I understand that the troops over there, by and large, are trying to do the right thing, but is there very presence actually helping or making things worse? It’s not at all obvious to me that there being there makes anybody safer. Which is why Jimmy’s evident frustration at the situation over there makes more sense to me than anything you say Leah.
6 out of 10 Iraqis support attacks on US troops and 7 out of 10 want them gone within a year.
http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/pipa/articles/brmiddleeastnafricara/250.php?nid=&id=&pnt=250&lb=brme
That really isn’t a good sign you know.
LEAH!! The oil for food program?? What the hell? So I guess that conversation went like this, “Hey, I see your people starving! I tell you what, give us some that oil (so we can continue to milk our own countrymen dry) and will give you some food so your people won’t continue to STARVE! That’s very American!
You people are so stupid. Bush bombed the world trade center. it was a controlled demolition. Those powerful steel reinforced structures didnt fall coz of burning airplane fuel. There are so much video documentaries and irrefutable scientific evidence to prove this. He instilled fear and chaos in the population, then proceeded to create order: HIS ORDER.
As long as the US population is under FEAR, bush can do whatever he wants without opposition. He sacrificed those WTC victims to gain unrestricted and unopposed power to invade the east and destroy nations for OIL and sick greed. You americans point fingers at the east and blame them for terrorism. Look in your own back yard. The US Government is responsible for the most mass murder and extreme terrorism in the past 200 years.
Dumb Ass bush must be very satisfy after hanging Saddam insted of Osama. I think he is just trying to fool Americans by giving us this bogus trophy.
GORILLA, dont be foolish! or leave the crack alone!
Well, I didnt think I would offend you so bad. What I say should not effect if you dont let it. AND Goofy says at 12:52 pm-read it. He says “his shitty ass soldiers” refering to the americans. READ IT
And yes you are over there fighting, But I stay home and raise our children and give him something to fight for. As I am sure you are fighting for your family.
And I didnt tell you what to “fucking think” all I said if you chilled out and read it instead of getting all pissed off was- I said if you were a soldier truly not truly a soldier-two different things you just misunderstood what I wrote i guess I should have put the comma. I never said I disbelieved that you were a soldier and I never told you what to think you again read my blog wrong. I said you -should be- not that you -have to be-. Before you go ranting and raving read the comment . So dont go saying my husband in not in the military just cause you THINK I told you that-which I did not. My husband is in the United States Marine Corps, and I am just as much a part of it as he is.
Gorilla must be a dumb Paki
And yes the oil for food programn in Iraq is real-look it up. I know what Im saying.
LEAH, Love you are missing my point! I believe that program is real. Its the inhumanity involved that I tried to point out. We’ll give you food (to live) if you give us oil(to fuel my ChevyS10 to the tailgate party)…that’s f@c!ed up!!
Leah,
Goofy is a self-proclaimed arab! Why would I be offended… I get it… he’s part of the Libral Media who is influencing public opinion…. You are willing to argue with me over your own opinions, but you won’t accept the fact that there is no progress being made and that most of the Muslums can not differentiate between a seperation of church and state.. Democracy will not survive in Iraq… Let me know when it does… We have been in Iraq longer than we were involved in WWII…
By the way, Iraq was no threat to us… So believing that Iraqis will bring the fight to the North American Continent is proposterous! There are many reports that there was no connection between Al Queida and Iraq… We get spoonfed a new reason as to why we are there daily! So what’s the next reason why we should be there and not spending our time and abilities where the real threats are?
Explain to me how typing up what you’re pissed off about and posting it online is homosexual in any way, Jimmy. And I don’t think Maddox ( http://maddox.xmission.com/ ) is a liberal who controls the media.
Anyway, I go to BBC for my news; CNN sucks.
Alright, Im not rying to argue with anyone. REALLY!! and sorry adam i am just a little upset that people think I am trying to argue when really Im not. I do know the facts Im saying and when I typed Iraq is a better county I meant to say we are helping them be a better country, and not everyone in Iraq wants us there I understand that also. Everyone thinks Im this Bitch who knows everything-no I am not. I just wanted to say what was on my mind and Jimmy got all offended because he read it wrong. Sorry to piss whoever off-that was not my objective. And adam again Im sorry cause I did not read your comment the right way-see its me to. I got all pissy and thought you were trying to say I didnt know-sorry :)
Leah, trying isn’t good enough when you’re failing and seen by a majority of Iraqis as the source of the problem. When sixty odd percent of the population supports attacks on US troops, it’s no longer possible to credibly claim that you’re there for their benefit. Even if that’s what you may personally think you’re there for, they obviously don’t believe it and want you gone asap.
It’s all good Leah…
and
Smith… I was being facisious about the millions of right wingers who claim that the “Liberal Media” controls the world… I agree with you! lol
Murder is murder, no matter how you disguise it. War is just a disguise for the government propaganda machine. Been though it, know the drill.
…….and yes Bush must hold some kind of record for the most humanity ever destroyed by a crusader. Hands down!!!
There are obviously a lot of views on this whole thing and I have mine just like everyone else. Some hold theirs very strong and mine changes. I just know that I support my husband and what he does for the country. Thats what I know best. Its been fun but now I am going to go enjoy my new years eve :) HAVE A GOOD NIGHT EVERYONE.
Here’s an Iraqi girl blogger, she doesn’t think you’re doing any good at all.
‘This last year especially has been a turning point. Nearly every Iraqi has lost so much. So much. There’s no way to describe the loss we’ve experienced with this war and occupation. There are no words to relay the feelings that come with the knowledge that daily almost 40 corpses are found in different states of decay and mutilation. There is no compensation for the dense, black cloud of fear that hangs over the head of every Iraqi. Fear of things so out of ones hands, it borders on the ridiculous- like whether your name is ‘too Sunni’ or ‘too Shia’. Fear of the larger things- like the Americans in the tank, the police patrolling your area in black bandanas and green banners, and the Iraqi soldiers wearing black masks at the checkpoint.
http://riverbendblog.blogspot.com/2006_12_01_riverbendblog_archive.html#116738820591750213
And thank you Jimmy for getting my blood pumping- but I dont think I like talking about politics :)
Happy New Year Leah!
I wish the best for you and your family!
Happy New Year to you to Jimmy. And be careful when you head back over there. Keep your head down. We will keep you and all the other troops in our prayers.
Ya, prayers, that’ll help. Oh Ya! Religious ones die first, to pussy-fied to stay alive.
Thank you Leah
Before you go, read caractacus’s link of an Iraqi girls blog.
and U2..
Take care
OSAMA????? I don’t disagree that Iraqi citizens were repressed, tortured, and humiliated under Sadaam, but why, someone explain to me, since 911, why, if we are the mightiest nation militarily, we can cross oceans, mountains and deserts, why didn’t Bush send the massive military operation he sent into Iraq, into Afganistan? For over 3 years we have pounded Iraq by air and ground, why didn’t Bush hunt Osama with 120,000+ troops in Afganistan/Pakistan? Why didn’t he cover Afganistan with 120,000 or more troops for 3 years searching every valley, corner and cave? Did Saddam mastermine 911? I want justice for 911!!!!! I am not saying that Saddam didn’t deserve what he got, but I feel Osama should have been the #1 agenda. I cannot remember the last time I heard on the news or read in the papers, Bush’s “stay the mission” on Osama. According to Saddam’s trial, he hung for killing Iraqis and Kurds, not 911. Any opinions, thoughts? Peace to all in 2007.
i had never thought it would happen to former president saddam husain excuted. those are responsible for killing the him and will be punished oneday
When it comes to killing Iraqis, Saddam is an amatuer compared to Bush. What is it? 150,000 to 650,000? No doubt Saddam should have been executed for his crimes against the shiites and kurds, but Bush should have been hanging right next to him. I doubt that pussy Bush will go out with as much balls as Saddam did though. I hope Bush’s trial for high treason and war crimes is as fair as Saddam’s.
Everyone knows the only truly objective news source is FOX News. Heil Bush!
Everything we think we KNOW about Saddam and his regime has been spoon-fed to us via the people whom most benefit from his removal. Remember the people shredding machine??? Yellowcake??? Babies torn from incubators??? etc…
In fact, it’s probably wise to take the polar opposite position to anything the media or our governments endorse, given the times in which we live.
Good or Evil? I don’t really know. I doubt many others do either.
Cut our losses and run? Is that what I’m understanding from some of the comments here? Whether any two individuals agree on whether we should have invaded Iraq or not is entirely a moot point at this point in time. When we sent troops into Iraq there WAS no turning back. We became committed. No saying, “Oops! Bad judgment call. See ya, we’re outta here!” In case no one has noticed, Iraqis are killing Iraqis in wholesale fashion. If we pull out now it will become a full-out civil war over there!
You see, we just never seem to learn from past mistakes. Once before we were forced to fight a war in Vietnam with one hand tied behind our backs, and the war affected the outcome of an election. WHAT exactly has changed from then and now? Nothing that I can see. And our premature withdrawal from war-torn Vietnam had quite devastating results for those left behind, including the free-spirited mountain people that so bravely fought with our special forces and who were abandoned to the not-so-merciful hands of the North Vietnamese… their lives and their culture destroyed. Nixon’s “Peace with honor” brought neither peace nor honor. The war continued for another two years after the Paris Peace Accords were signed and the US troops pulled out and left the South Vietnamese to their fate.
What I mean when I say ‘fighting with one hand tied behind our backs’ is that we tried to wage a war like it was a police action, much like we’re doing now in Iraq. A DMZ was set in place upon which our troops could not cross. The North Vietnamese could strike and withdraw back over the DMZ and there was absolutely nothing we could do about it. That put our troops at a distinct disadvantage. And believe it or not, the war protestors (with their good intentions) dealt a hard blow to troop morale. A demoralized soldier is, in essence, an ineffective soldier, and they were very aware of what was going on stateside. With modern technological advances the war was broadcast into every living room that had a television. Intelligence became compromised as the eye of the world watched events as they unfolded. And too many politics had entered into the equation. See any parallels here? What about depleted uranium? What about the order that soldiers may not fire unless first fired upon? We are simply not allowing our soldiers to effectively do their jobs and have not deployed enough troops to get the job done. In essence, they are fighting undermanned and with one hand tied behind their backs. In the long run, our trying to do the ‘right thing’ will actually prolong the war and cause even more casualties. It already has.
We missed the mark when we pulled out of Kuwait without finishing the job. I knew it when it happened, as did many others.
This is another Canadian pondering the issue: it is been said that no civilisation or empire had survived well-being. The US is no exception and it seems it will be the one that will have succumbed to well being the fastest. After WW II you Yanks have started to enjoy “omelette” and used to be proud for having had the guts to break the eggs for it. Now not only are you whining for having broken more eggs, but in fact want to compensate the hen for the pains it went through laying those eggs!! No wonder you love wrestling i.e. fake fight. You’ve lost the courage to be a world power. No worries, over a billion Chinese out there have no remorse for breaking eggs, they actually enjoy breaking the hen’s neck too! They’ll love becoming the new world power. If it wasn’t for those 50,000 brave Americans who died in Vietnam, China would have achieved that status sooner. But that was a time when the US had balls, so China had to wait for American greed to finance their war industry whilst America’s intelligentsia happily embraced communist thinking and the less educated embraced dirty language as the only way to express its frustration. RIP USA!
The only person responsible for Saddam’s fate was Saddam Hussein.
For all the people who think that Pres. Bush and PM Blair are guilty of genocide, let point out one thing; Sometimes, in the name of good, people die. Japan didn’t surrender until after 210,000 people died in one week. One method we used to break the Germans’ spirit was subjecting them to continuous air raids, in which between 20 to 50 thousand people died. I don’t hear anyone accusing Pres. Roosevelt and Pres. Truman of being war criminals.
The United States is the greatest source of good in the world. No other country gives so much while expecting nothing in return. God bless the United States!!
This war was started by the Jews when they took over Palestine. Why the hell did we take sides in the religious war? We should immediately stop funding Israels war – We then would not have to worry about terror, Saddam, Iran, or the rest of the over 2 billion Arabs going after us… This seems to be a simple truth that no one will say out loud.
You will not hear this in the New York times…..
testing
I was born and raised in the military. I had red, white, and blue in my veins way before most of the banwagon patriots started their bullshit after 9/11. After 9/11 everyone was, GO BUSH!!! Now he sticks to his guns and everyone wants to bitch and complain. In my opinion Bush fucked up Iraq. We are trying to fix it. Americans are dying and its a shitty thing. We have been at war for over 3 years and we have lost about 3000. We lost 500,000 soldiers in WWII in just 2 years.
Most of us know that Bush has little or no brain. Dick Chenney is the man behind iraq war.
If you would like to find out why we ended up in Iraq, read “State of Denial” written by Bob Woodward.
Well Maple Man, I’d say you are doing what Canadians do best…. pondering the issue. You say the USA has lost courage to be a world power, well I guess that statement coming from a canadian holds a lot of weight. Oh wait a second, Canada NEVER had the balls to do anything did they? Seems that Canada has been riding on the shirt tails of the USA forever. You see a lot of us here in the states don’t have a very good view on Canada….. we kind of view you folks like the worthless country of France, just a little closer to our border.
Might want to be quite now and go back to playing with your farm animals.
To all of you how think this was barbaric, I have only this to say, you play you pay.
Saddam made his bed and now he is laying in it.
As a Christian I have to forgive him, but I don’t have to forget. God will sort it out now.
“Tom Says:
December 30th, 2006 at 10:31 am
Well, this is obviously because CNN grieves the loss of Saddam and revels in the deaths of the U.S. soldiers. I mean, that’s clearly the only reasonable explanation to be drawn here.”
LOL…Tom, you might want to brush abit on YOUR reasoning skills..that is hardly the explanation to be derived from subject at hand.
To all the left wing nuts out there…. shut up! I have been to Afghanistan twice and Iraq five times. Take it from someone who knows, who has been there, who has lived the war since 2001, who has watched friends die, who has dealt with more crap and seen more than any human would want to. We need to be there!!! I love this country and I’m proud of what I do. You can join Pelosi, Kerry, Kenedy, Clinton and the rest of the Military hating *&^%&* and get the &^%$^ out of the good ol US. Take CNN, CBS and air America with you. What is wrong with you people? How about joining the ranks of a few good men for a few years; put down your cappuccino and see for your self. I’ll bet those blinders your look at life through will get stripped off quicker than you can say the pledge of allegiance. (Which by the way you can thank liberals for taking out of schools). Iraq was a preempted strike; could you imagine how many people would of been saved if we preempted Hitler. Times of tuning a blind eye are over, we will no longer pay the Dane-Geld (google it). To all the Republican’s and conservatives who support the War and the troops God bless you and your Families. To the rest…. all I can do is pray for you. ( Oh ya, liberals took that out of school too)
Well Im glad they made a video, not all those who view it shall agree, but it just goes to show you that execution is wrong and serves no purpose other than revenge. I am a son of a murder victim, (2 in fact) and I will always see justice as God’s right not ours.
Bush did the best he could. He is kinda like Mike Tyson, not that bad but his cronies are the REAL problem.
Soldier Says
I totally agree with you. My husband has been there before a lot and is there right now-he really wishes he wasnt this time cause its not good right now. We have had plenty of people that we know and are close to die. And I know I would never want to see want my husband or you have seen. Thank you for your sevice and God Bless.
Hey redneck,
Bush little or no brains? Bush has a Bachelors from Yale, and a Masters from
Harvard. You?
I think what needs to be remembered here is that the Iraqi people gave Saddam this punishment. His conviction and sentencing was carried out in his own country. Saddam was hated by many, and feared by most. I feel sorry for the people who DIDN’T get a final say with Saddam, but I hope still, that this leaves them with some sort of feeling of justice. Saddam pretty much made his own bed. Seeing as how there have been no weapons of mass destruction found, WHY didn’t he let the inspectors in?? He wanted this war more than anyone else did. HE’S the real reason it happened. Although there has been “no connection” made with al queda and Iraq….insurgents claiming to be with Al Queda seem to attack daily in Iraq, and other surrounding Arab countries. So, although they may not be based there, we’re still fighting Al Queda right there in Iraq. As far as the “pull out” goes, we as a nation would be ridiculed and despised if we left Iraq in its current state. I, personally, never see it being an all around civilized nation, but if we were to leave now, it would be worse than what it is….if you can imagine. There has to be an established governing body, trained military and enforcers of law. I can’t say that our reasoning for going to war was all wrong, “In one of his most brutal acts, he rained poison gas on the northern Kurdish village of Halabja in 1988, killing an estimated 5,000 citizens suspected of being disloyal, and wounding some 10,000 more”. —-if that isn’t mass destruction, and murder, then I don’t know what is. .Not all are ever going to agree, but some may find this war to be more justified than others, and that is what makes this country great!
Bush is a terrorist
Congratulations Smith, you are a complete moron. There is no possible way that you could attempt to defend that statement.
The United States is STILL the best country on the face of the planet. Seriously folks, the United States does get involved in many thinga around the world. If we didn’t you know as well as I that everyone would be looking to us and asking ‘Why aren’t you involved?’. When we do get involved we are asked “Why are you involved?’
It’s a catch 22 situation, damn’ed if you do, damn’ed if you don’t.
So with everybody bitching about us being there, and other places, let’s just take a 20 year break and concentrate on matters at home. Let Canada, or France or any of the other crappy countries fulfill the role that the United States has for so long. You know what, They wouldn’t be able to do it! No other country can fill the shoes that the United States wears.
For those of you that think that the USA has ‘lost it’s balls’, you are sadly mistaken. Back us into a corner, and you’ll see all the rednecks, hicks, yanks, and others band together and kick some serious ass.
I dont understand first the US said that Iraq has weapon of mass destruction, Iraq co-operated with UN and opened its door for weapon inspection. You all know what happened with the cheif of the UN inspection who had a suicide because of US attack. After the collapse of Iraq even the Weapons of Mass destruction was not found…. than came the story of ” Axis of Evil” and at the last all the blame was given to the ruling family (Sadam) of Iraq that he was too cruel with its nation.
Even if he was too cruel than the objective of war should not be weapons of mass destruction. USA always comes with different stories to prove its point in attacking Iraq. Despite all the opposition of the world to attack Iraq US did it. Ass Hole…. The new world order is that if you have a might and you think that Bush is the main person behind the killing of soo many US army and soo many Iraqis than one may even execute BUSH the great for his act…. So Bush be ware there are people on this earth you share this idea…..
WHAT ABOUT OSAMA?????? WHY DIDN’T BUSH STAY THE COURSE ON HIM???? HE IS RESPONSIBLE FOR 911!!!!!! IRAQ WAS PAY BACK FOR SADDAM’S ASSASINATION ATTEMPT ON DADDY AND BUSH USED 911 AS A SMOKESCREEN….GETTING JUSTICE FOR HIS DADDY BUT NOT 911 VICTIMS.
I have a thought.. dudes…
we (felllow human beings) crucified Jesus for all his love showed to his fellowbeings … and it was as same as a brutal act of sadistic minds..where there were ppl laughing..torturing him even on his cross..and when he was dieing with pain….
..are we were laughing when Saddam was dieing out there.. may he was the Evilest creature…born out here in this world.. but..he was also respected by a small group of ppl..Ok he got what he deserved…but He was also a human..but we were laughing..merrying..crusifying a human again..
I think he (saddam) was denied his human rights….
and by showing those vedios..i felt, they didnt have a motive of peace..rather it is an act of making this world a hell….. Dividing it into smaller world of hatred..
Americans think that they are the most intelligent and the smartest beings of the universe; but the time is observing the reverse. The time will show them the truth soon. But the time will be changed till then.
FUCK YOU BUSH…u went to afghanistan for what? for oil u fuckin piece of shit…next… iraq? one of the biggest oil supplies in the world..u blame everything on terrorism when in reality you are the terrorist u fuckin BITCH..HOPE SOMEDAY SOMEONE SNIPES YOU OR U GET HUNG BY YOUR BALLS YOU STuPID PIECE OF CRAP. BURN IN HELL
bush and the bushfamilie are the biggest terrorist over the world.why no judge executes him!?!?!?
the must be executed to clean the world.
saddam had an war in his country and nowhere other.but bush killed billions the poeaple in other countries and his own soldiers
he is the true terreorist
god is with saddam (amen)
Being an Indian I don’t know what was right and what was wrong but what I can say that Saddam died like a King. He refused to wear the HOOD while being hanged and faced the death like a LION Hearted person.
I have always admired americans and my fav president was Mr Bill Clinton. Bush is a filthy pig. as we say in Indian Army ‘ A B****y Mother F****r’.
This is against humanity and voilation of Humanrights.Who is Bush to judge the future of iraq?and saddams fate?If saddam is criminal ,What is Bush,Killing thousands of civilians in Afghanistan/iraq.Who is Responsible for the worst situation in Iraq and Afghan?I strongly condemn the execution of Saddam.Iraqis are responsible for their own fate/present worst situation in Iraq.
They may show the oneof Bush soon , don`t worry
You know, alot of you cannot even speak english let alone know what you are even saying. This whole thign was supposed to be about CNN viewing Saddam’s hanging on tv, which I think should be done. They can show our troops hanging dead by bridges but not a leader who tortured, raped, and murdered his own people. Bush has screwed up but he has not murdered anyone. Read up on some information before you critisize things you have no clue about. All you are is angry over a death of someone who should had been tortured a lot more before he died. If you frickin payed any attention to things then you would know that we held Saddam up until almost the exact time he was executed so he wouldnt be tortured and his corpse brutalized. I think we should have handed him over to the Iraqis sooner, he needed to suffer just like the hundreds upon hundreds he murdered brutally. Yes we didnt go in there for the right reasons but in the end we got rid of a evil man. And by the way for all those who keep saying it- President Bush did not sentence Saddam to anything it was his own people, his own people that were terrified of him for years finally are able to know the person that killed or raped or tortured their babies, mothers, fathers, sisters, brothers, or any other member of their family is dead.
A BUSH MUST DROWNED IN A DROP OF WATER COZ HE TOOK A COMPLETELY SHAMEFULL ACTION AGAINST SADDAM AND IRAQ, SADDAM MUST NOT HAVE BEEN EXECUTED ON EID – A HOLY FESTIVAL OF MUSLIM. IT SHOWS THAT HOW DIRTY MIND BUSH HAS. ANYWAY HOWEVER HARD HE TRIED IT CAN’T BE SUPPRESSED THAT
LA ILAHA ILLALLAH MOHAMADOOR RASOLLALLAH
Although I am an Indian Yet I would like to admire Saddam Hussain.I agree that he took some wrong action against humanity but no doubt that he was a nice ruler as well as a king.And I am damn sure that he is hundred times better than than George Bush. Coz saddam killed person only once or twice or thrice But That Bloody Bush have been killing many inncocent children and women in iraq as well as afganistan.Whatever A world has to agree that Saddam Lived a life Like a lion and his death was also like a lion without fear.
I Salute To Saddam
I disliked Saddam before handled by Americans. Eventhough he is not as stupid as Bush. If Saddam is dirty Bush is dirtiest (the most dirty) man in this globe. Saddam had to die not now, then did. Bush
As i was reading, I saw that there was a fair bit of disagreement in regards to CNN’s political stance. I think that although CNN, might be, “bringing the enemy into our homes.” they do it with enough discretion to flip the message in such a way that the people of the US will extract an entirely different meaning then that of which a Middle Eastern person would. I am not taking sides here, just I am trying to act as a median between the two main arguments presented here. I respect CNN’s desire to report the truth, but maybe if they are governmentally controlled has anyone ever considered that just maybe they are trying to scare us? The entire US population has been brought up to fear the terrorist with good reason, but does that mean that we should also use that fear to fuel the quest for oil? Or the destruction of a country just because we don’t like how they think? I think that the next time we decide to venture into a war, we should first take a step backwards and think, “what are we fighting for?” or maybe more importantly,”who are we fighting for?”
Why does this piece of video footage terminate at such a critical point ????? Does CNN think it would be too ‘distressing’ for Joe public to see Mr Hussein disappear through the trapdoor ?? I can assure you that I and everyone in my household would have let out a resounding cheer at the sight.
First, it would be a tribute to American society and the culture of freedom and wisdom we seek to defend if comments left could contain little to no profanity. It clearly shows the same untamed, unrefined, animalistic and irrational behaviors embraced by those who are still actively supporting the executed former leader of Iraq. Second, if we need to reveal a photographic piece of evidence as closure for the oppressed, tortured and permanently affected individuals who suffered under his regime, then a tasteful single photograph while he lies in a casket would suffice. I do not support the parading of photographs of his sons who were killed in combat – the same amount of respect should be shown, not in support of their political or religious views or practices, but as human beings that are indeed SOMEONE’S family member. How much better are we as a nation if we provide access to graphic evidence of a fallen tyranny when there are far more civil ways to bring closure to those who seek it most.
While there will be ‘bootleg’ videos everywhere, from local tragedies to the more notorious sort that all will appear on sites such as ‘rotten.com’, or the news sites that air the executions of hostages such as al Jazeera, etc. (no offense to the web administrators, just using these forums as an example), I think it would show a great deal more humanity and just plain better home training, to post simple facts with as little graphic content, however curious the nature of human beings may be as to the gruesomeness involved.
Hats off to President Bush for his tasteful, informative and matter-of-fact dealing with the outcome and the success of such a milestone in the war on terror.
We all know that Saddam was a horrible person responsible for doing horrible things… there is no doubt that the majority of Iraq is happy he is gone…. BUT, how many other “Saddam like” situations are going on around the world? Darfur, etc… Every ground commander in Iraq and even the bipartisan Iraq study group will tell you that we aren’t even making a dent in the war on terrorism. The American military is being used as a “nation builder” to spread democracy upon a people that might not want to live like us. Without a doubt I love the country and culture I live in, I also realize that it can’t be forced down people’s throats as the “best form of government.” Present day Iraq now hosts an array of smut XXX theatres etc. since the formation of there knew democratic government…. This introduction of foreign morals into there culture is what is fueling this chaos. Although I am liberal as it gets, let’s not forget that Clinton and the CIA had a perfect opprotunity to get rid of Saddam in 1995 without osing a single american’s life. The Kurd’s had Saddam’s military on its heels but were forced to stop when they were informed to “proceed at there own risk”. At this point, I just don’t know if the Iraqi government will ever be able to take full control of there governement without our presence.
Again though, is this what it was all for?
That’s the government that we invaded Iraq in order to install? That mob of guys in black balaclavas waving a noose and yelling about Allah?
That’s what ‘bringing freedom and democracy’ to a country looks like these days?
Grainy footage of a chanting mob of hooded fanatics stringing up an (embarassingly brave) old man, in what appears to be an abandoned garage?
God help us.
I find it absolutely frustrating that the right wing still believe the war in Iraq was retaliation for 9/11. One must consider the political nature of the region first. Osama wanted Saddam dead, they were enemies. The Al Qaeda prisoners in Gitmo will come up with anything to get Saddam involved in 9/11 so that he too may face Americas wrath. The only reason that Bush Jr. attacked Iraq was because the House of Saud wanted Saddam gone in 1991, and this was a good excuse for Bush Jr. to go in and finish unfininished business. Saddam was a threat to the Saudi Royal family. Yes, I said it! our foreing policy is dictated first by Israel, second by Saudi Arabia, aka our number one ally who supplied most of the hijackers in 9/11. Saddam thought he was the modern day Saladdin of the region and would reunite the middle east into one great Arab nation. As long as he was alive, the House of Saud were vulnerable. Now, who benefitted from all this? The answer: The Iranians. Its pathetic how stupid the president of this nation is. One just needs to look at his history, the guys a loser. Hopefully in 2008, we can vote for someone competent back in the White House. I’m a democrat but i’m leaning towards Giuliani, if not Obama.
Saddams death is cause for celebration to a lot of people. I’m against the death penalty, but considering what this bastard did, his fate seems befitting. HOwever, what is the endgame? We are witnessing the barbaric nature of the Shiites, Sunnis and the Kurds killing each other at the moment. This war is so mismanaged that a Taco Bell shift manager could do a better job than Rummy and Bush jr. What a bunch of morons. What a shame and embarrassment.
What pisses me off most is the media in this country, both left and right wing, its way to freakin biased. They should just read the goddamn news, let us decipher and analyze the shit for ourselves. And for those people who can’t analyze current events for themselves and need people like Pat Buchanan, or Rush Limbaugh to feed them them hate encouraging propaganda, it is most important that the media just stick to reading the news and thats it. Tucker, Nancy Grace, AC and Bill O’reilly can take their opinions and shove it. Its insulting.
America needs to wake up and realize that today she is a global power, but not a great nation. To be a great nation, she must be adored by the world. I’m not being a left wing romantic here, its true. When 9/11 happened, the world was crying with us. We were once a great nation but now the world hates us, including our allies. The time has come now to be a true leader of free nations, and a truly great nation. This president and this administration has made that task a lot harder.
Republicans should think twice before supporting this presidents actions. He has done nothing but destabilized the world. That is not the work of a great nation. That is not the work of a great leader.
please remember we put the bastard in power.
We put those death squad guys in hoods in power too, but I don’t think it’s doing us much good.
It’s certainly not doing the Iraqis any good. 6 out of 10 support attacks on US troops, 7 out of 10 want them gone within the year. This does not look anything remotely like a success to me.
You make a decision. You have to be responsible for it and take the consequences of it.
Let’s Bush go to Irak and fight, along with Chesney. It is too easy to send other people to combat. Let’s him go and fight put his life on the line of fire. We will seat in an arena and watch. That will decrease the amount of people dying in war.
Why do people send other people to war? If they want to fight, they can go and do it themselves! Let’s all agree on that. Don’t you all see how you are all manipulated and used. Are you all as rich and safe as Bush?
Isabelle
Cleaerly we are not Isabelle. I’m a Brit and that bus that exploded on 7/7 did so right where I stand to catch the bus about that time of a morning when I’m working in London. Bush and Blair are behind millions of dollars (or pounds) worth of state of the art security, so they are insulated from the consequences of their actions.
We Brits are used to dodging bombs on the way to work, thanks to the IRA, so it didn’t actually make any real difference to our way of life. In general, if it’s in what looks like a good cause, we can just shrug it off as less of a danger than your average taxi driver. As far as I can make out though, the achievement of Bush and Blair has been to reduce a relatively secular and well educated country, albeit one ruled by an average dictator, to a pile of smoking rubble, crawling with religious fanatic death squads and indeed, from the evidence of that video, ruled by them.
This does not look to me like something worth getting blown up on the way to work for.
There’s a difference though. A dead body is just that – a dead body. We don’t see the moment of death. We do see the moment of death though with the Saddam video do. (At least I’m assuming that we do. I’m not watching it)
I’ve see the cell-phone video (I wanted to see what Bush and Blair had brought about in my name, it seemed cowardly to flinch from the reality of it) You don’t see the moment of death, but you do see the drop.
What’s most revealing though, is the bit between the end of the ‘offical’ video and the execution itself. Despite my opposition to everything the bloody handed old monster stood for, I have to give him this. He died as bravely as anyone could under the circumstances. If some mob of goons in black hoods ever drags me out of bed in the night to string me up, I only hope I can do as well as he did.
I don’t know what they were thinking letting that video out, they’ve turned a monster into a hero and martyr in some quarters. No possible mistake about that given a few billion have probably watched the cellphone video by now.
I believe Saddam hasn’t gotten what he deserved. He destroyed the lives of many people all over the world and should have been taken out in a more painful way like he deserves.
And Bush isn’t all that better, not only sending American troops to their deaths but also because of the twat Blair also, sending British people. Both of these ‘men of power’ deserve nothing but hatred and should, in fact, have as much respect as we give Saddam himself
Its definately barbaric…Especially hangging him before a religious feast of muslims means humanism is death…
Although he had some fault,he hadnt be killed like this…
Im Turkish a Christian turkish,and blushing while watching this damn video!
I think he just get a ticket do other planet or inner world and laugh at us ;).
“Bush bastard and anti-bush?” WTF???? Well, most of these entries are completely ridiculous. Kudos to Arnett, i couldnt of laid it out better.
hiyaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa im frm the UK i say gud ridence 2 the stupid fukin bastard.!.! every1 hav a gurdddddd new year love yas xxxxxxxxx
its alway very funny for us europeans to watch americans turn any/everything on an international level into a mudslinging match as to who is the most/least patriotic. Saddam was a bad man doing bad things to his own people , and now he cant do it anymore. Bush, however, is an incompetent man doing bad things to his own people. Subtle difference. By the way, Arnett? Bush got 50% of the votes in an election where only 60% of eligbles voted (wouldnt want them crazy criminals voting now, would we? especially not in Texas….), which means 70% didnt want him as president. Colour it any way you want to, but thats not a very effective Democracy. Not that Bush is ever likely to suggest they try it again. And for me and everybody i know, a patriot is someone who stands up for his/her country against anyone , insider (i.e. a barely elected president doing a really , and i mean REALLY bad job) or outsider , whereas someone who stands behind any idiot waving the right flags/politics is probably just a nationalist who reads a crap newspaper. By the way, pointing out other peoples spelling mistakes as a way of indicating the weaknesses in their arguments? Brilliant!
I don’t think we should kill someone that was tried of killing so many others. Many people feel that this is what the Iraqi people needed for closure, but in essence, we are doing the exact same thing that he did to thousands on thousands overseas. Killing. It doesn’t matter how many, the vicious cycle continues. Killing. I believe that he should have been put to hard labor, restricted of anything he may enjoy…and spend the rest of his life in a cell (with no special treatment) to think about what he did.
It is a pity that Bill Clinton cannot be re-elected since he has the intelligence to sort Iraq out like he did after Bush Snr. Wake up America! This war is criminal. If Iraq was invaded because it had WMD’s and because its regime denies human civil rights, why does America not go after China since they too “bully” their neighbours and denies civil rights! Oh wait…it’s China, a nation we depend on economically! Bush has turned us into the most hated country in the world.
Here’s what an Iraqi blogger who started out feeling sorry for US troops who got killed and was glad they’d overthrown Saddam thinks.
http://riverbendblog.blogspot.com/2006_12_01_riverbendblog_archive.html#116759318228411422
The Bible says “An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.” Saddam believed in this. For all the people that died because of Saddam’s will (and not just the ones he went on trial for) how many teeth were lost and how many eyes were lost? Saddam only had 2 eyes.
Let me tell you about another side of this. Do you think Satan and his demons have anything to do with this? Absolutely! He is alive and well. He is gaining power over all of us all the time and this website is a perfect example. While most everyone writing to this website is pointing fingers and whipping up hate against each other, Satan is sitting back and having a good laugh on you. You’re falling for his tricks! You’re riding shotgun for him! You (and I mean everyone including myself) are tightening the noose a little tighter every day by our OWN actions. Stop looking outside yourself for the blame, look inside. As the saying goes, “We have met the enemy and he is us.”
I’M SURE THERE IS A DEVEL’S ADVOCATE OUT THERE THAT’S GOING TO READ THIS. C’MON, LET’S SEE WHAT YOU HAVE TO SAY.
Perhaps Jeebus will inspire you True American to explain to me what our troops are meant to be doing there?
Because it really isn’t clear to me anymore. Particularly with 6 out of 10 Iraqis supporting attacks against them and 7 out of 10 Iraqis wanting them gone within the year. I was told by our leaders that we were there to help the Iraqis. But it doesn’t really seem like they see it that way these days.
Have you some relelation to share with us that will make it clear why our troops are dying there?
revelation even?
Caratacus,
I don’t know and never will. Try asking God, Jesus Christ, and the Holy Spirit. But you might not get an answer right away, at least not until you believe.
Well you know. I just don’t think that’s a satisfactory answer. Our troops are dying there, along with many times that number of Iraqis, innocent and otherwise, and we have no coherent reason why. All the reasons we were given have either vanished like the WMD, or or are invalidated because, for example if one claims we are there to make the Iraqis lives better, we have utterly failed.
The troops are dying there because they are getting shot and blown up.
Well yes. But why?
I mean did Bush and Blair just get together one day and say ‘Hey let’s tell our respective electorates a bunch of big fat lies so we can get loads of our soldiers killed for no reason”
One presumes not, or at least one hopes not. So what are they supposed to be doing there?
I’m sorry, I don’t type as fast as most so maybe my comments are not always in time with yours. But I try to put my thoughts together first before I talk.
Look at the history of the world. Man has used war as a reason to build economic security, greed, hate, sex, food, and host of others. This holds trus and is no diffeerent now. Just another nano second in time.
People have always wondered why. Why me? Why you? Why this, why that? Trust in the unseen. Pray and LISTEN! Your answers will come sooner or later. But we all have to take care of our own little part of the world.
But they’ve made Iraq a far worse place than it was under Saddam, and they’ve made us all less safe from terrorism. So what’s the benefit of doing all of this? What are our soldiers dying for?
None of us know the answer and this “only today” type of thinking doesn’t work. It’s the very long term outlook that we can’t see. We as humans are not capable of it so we need to trust in the unseen.
I had a chart that I made on my computer at my desk at work. It was a bar graph that showed the intelligence of an idiot, a genius, and God. On the right side was the idiot’s bar at 1/4 inch high, in the middle was the genius’s bar and it was a hairline above the idiot’s bar, and on te left was God’s bar that went way off the chart. When my co-workers first looked at this they asked me what it meant. I told them as a joke they maybe they belonged one of the 2 bars on the right. Some were speechless and walked away.
So, let me get this clear in case I’ve misunderstood. You are saying in effect that there is no rational reason why several thousand of our troops and several hundred thousand Iraqis have died, but that we must hope that Bush and Blair have correctly interpreted some sort of mystic revleation?
I think the best rational reason is that Satan is alive and well and we choose to listen because usually that’s the easy way out. He planted this seed of hate in the middle east thousands of years ago and it flourishes now more than ever. We have to resist our natural urges and control our anger. It gets out of control and things are said or we don’t understand each other for whatever reason…. pride gets in the way… predjudice gets in the way and it escalates. We choose to escalate it. WE CHOOSE!
For instance, I could have taken your remark about “Jeebus” personally and I could have gone off on you in my reply but I didn’t.
Umm. That still doesn’t really explain what the beneficial result of all these people getting killed is meant to be.
I mean, in the absence of a coherent reason why our troops and many times their number of Iraqis are getting killed, the obvious explanation is that our leaders are criminally incompetent.
Maybe you’re on one of the 2 bars on the right of the chart. Pray and LISTEN!
I have to go now and eat supper. I hope you all the best caractacus.
I’d like to believe that they weren’t and at one time I sort of did, but that’s the only explanation left if we take their claimed reasons for doing this stuff at face value.
Take care True American :)
Sorry about the ‘Jeebus’ crack btw.
whoever dosen’t think that saddam should not have been exicuted,is a hippy fag and should git out of this country,
That’s nice craig. Do you have any other compelling arguments like that?
Let me ask you something though. You saw that mob of pro-Iranian death squad guys in black hoods yelling about Allah in the video right? They’re the legitimate Iraqi government our soldiers died to install. How do you feel about that?
I’m off to bed now, so you have plenty of time to think.
Take care :)
Well I will reply to caractacus and hopefully you will read it later. I used to think the war was not a horrible idea at first-because the government and news would work in a way together to take your focus off things by bringing up other things-and now the war has no real reason but Bush doesnt want to look dumb and say he messed up so he just keeps sending more troops over there and more keep dying. I think he doesnt want everyone to think he sent all those troops over there in vain and he wants ther to be a purpose to their deaths. So Saddam getting executed would be one of them but that really doesnt justify 3000 troops dying all for one person. So our troops will still die and the war will probably go on till 2010 or longer. And really the only reason I come up with is Bush doesnt want to pull out the troops and not really have a reason for the war. Its just unfortunate for all the men and women of the military who are going to die before either Bush realizes that he is not doing good by keeping them there or we get a new President.
Arnett (and all of you who consider him your hero) it scares me that someone can consider themselves knowledgeable yet be so misinformed. I do not have the time or the inclination to list and explain all the inaccuracies you portray as facts. I will just leave you with what I have learned to be the facts as a 17 year veteran and current officer in the US Army and a veteran of both wars with Iraq and also as an informed American.
I have direct knowledge that the plans to invade Iraq started almost immediately upon Bush entering the Whitehouse. The stated objective was “Regime Change”. The administration did not care if Iraq was a threat to the U.S. At that time both Colin Powell and Condoleezza Rice publicly stated that Iraq was not a threat to the U.S. The administration did not care if Iraq had WMDs or were involved with Al Qaeda or 911, which the 911 commission clearly confirmed they were not. If this was not the motive what was the need for regime change? Could it be that Iraq was edging closer to having its trade restrictions lifted and Saddam was planning on shifting his business to the emerging economic superpower China (if not true current superpower thanks to Bush’s huge deficits) along with economic partners India and Russia?
The Administration had the plan all along, all they needed was the appropriate trigger to convince the American people that it was worth the cost. It helps if you misrepresent the true cost going in. The administration’s official estimate to the American people was $1.8 Billion, minimal casualties and a timeframe of less than 6 months.
For those of you that say congress voted for the war, which was actually a vote to authorize force in order to enforce UN resolutions, I give you George Bushes own words on the eve of said vote.
” This is not a vote to go to war. This is a vote for peace… I will only use war as a last resort. ”
He then withdrew the inspectors that Saddam had allowed in the country almost immediately and began his war for regime change that he planned long before 911.
As several official (administration) intelligence surveys have reported, this war has made our nation less safe and has greatly increased the numbers and wealth of terrorist organizations by creating the greatest recruitment tool they have ever had and making Bin Laden himself appear as a prophet. In the eyes of a Muslim, everything he ever said about the US wanting to take Muslim land and oil is now true.
Of course these terrorists need not come to the US to blow us up when they can blow up Americans in the now extremely unstable Iraq. It’s much easier and still brings in the dollars and earns them the respect of the vast majority of Muslims because they are defending Muslim land from the Westerners. Most Muslims were against 911 and they supported us going after the perpetrators. Now most Muslims around the world say that the insurgents are justified in attacking Americans in Iraq.
It took Al Qaeda almost 5 years to plan the attacks on 911 and kill 2752 Americans. It took less than three years for the insurgents in Iraq to kill more Americans and the toll keeps rising and will continue to rise. Perhaps it is more acceptable to Americans because they are troops. However, It is considered no less of a victory among terrorists to see an American troop die in Iraq than a civilian in the US.
For those of you in the “stay the course” camp I can tell you that as someone who just returned from a year in Iraq we are farther away from “victory” than we were a year ago. That is, whatever you define victory to be. At this point, the best possible outcome is a Shiite dominated government that will likely become Iran’s number one ally. Preventing this situation, which would be awful for the US, is why the US stood up and supported Saddam in the first place. However, even if we had a magic bomb that would kill all insurgents and prevent more from entering the country this is what we would have. Better yet, if all insurgents decided to lay down their arms and participate in the government we helped install we would still have the awful situation described above. So what type of “victory” are you all holding out for?
Some believe that an all out civil war in Iraq is inevitable if we pull out and this will destabilize the region and create a safe haven for terrorists. First of all, terrorists already have more havens than they need that are safer than an Iraq consumed in civil war. In fact, all havens for terrorists are pretty much safe as long as we are tied up in Iraq. Secondly, destabilization is almost inevitable. Do you really believe the other Middle-Eastern Nations will stand by and let the Iraq-Iran block dominate the region? Do you really believe the region would be stable even without the other nations interfering once the Iraq-Iran Shiite alliance was formed?
Please forget the idea of a secular democracy modeled after the US that will not embrace their Shiite beliefs and therefore not side with Iran. It is unrealistic. It never was realistic. Shiites in Iraq could not even begin to imagine a government that is not based on religious law. In a country that is dominated by Shiites the government will, eventually if not immediately, be dominated and shaped by Shiite ideals which are decidedly more radical than the Sunni.
For those of you in the “send more troops” camp, I am now someone responsible for finding troops to fill our decimated units in order to deploy. I can tell you we cannot support a surge for any meaningful amount of time without a full presidential call-up of the National Guard and Reserve or a draft. This will have a huge cost both in current dollars now and recruitment down the line. And for what ends? The same “victory” described above.
We can not even support the current effort for long enough to achieve the above stated “victory”. Whether Democrats or Republicans were in charge of congress, that reality would have to be admitted during Bush’s tenure. It is actually convenient that he can now blame a pull-out on the Democratic congress. Pundits may even go as far as to blame the failure on the Democrats for forcing the pullout. Make no mistake, poor planning, bad intelligence, bad policy and enforced groupthink made failure inevitable.
You and several others here appear have been “educated” (read programmed) by Fox news. As studies show, the more one watches Fox News the more likely they are to not know even the most basic facts about the war and the state of the nation in general. But it does help you come up with common slogans like “Cut and Run” and they help you continue to support a failed plan based on false motives. However, they cannot define a realistic victory. They cannot tell you a realistic goal for staying in Iraq that will, in the end make all the cost (in dollars and lives) and all the future costs worth while.
Yes folks, the sad fact is there is no real victory to be achieved in Iraq and although it is not politically correct to say it and I hate to say it myself, all U.S. troops, including some of my friends, who have died or been wounded and dismembered for life, did so in vain due to the poor planning and bad policy designed by this administration and sold to the American people.
Remember that if you see a plan that is doomed to failure and you continue to support it, you are providing aid to the enemy.
I think it’s in the bets Sharia’s traditions to make a show of human’s execution by hanging or stoning somebody at a public place in front of a cheering crowd. The western “liberal” media from BBC to CNN is not better. For those who publish all that: you don’t have a right to call yourselves civilized or human, you are the same sick fascists as your Islamic radical counterparts.
I’m glad I’m not american. 2007 will let you dumbass americans know what a mistake you idiots made in electing The Anti-Christ. Georgey. I feel sorry for the majority of americans that are going to suffer for the actions of a few idiots. Hopefully in the new election your congress counts all the votes of the american people (Blacks and Hispanics) and the true president takes office and this sort of travisty doesn’t happen again. I feel for the family’s of 9/11. WHY DIDN’T THE ANTI-CHRIST GO AFTER OSAMA. WHY WERE ALL BIN LADEN’S FLOWN OUT OF THE U.S. ON SEPT 10. FOR THE FEW INTELLIGENT AMERICANS LEFT…..PONDER THAT THOUGHT.
Bush and his staff just changed the optics upon the politics of USA versus Iraq. This unstability proved that Bush’s administration have not a correct orienation when invaded Iraq. Perhaps the history will judge it. Congratulations Bush!
Everyone is just blaming each other! At the end of the day saddam killed a lot of innocent people which is wrong and inhumane. But then then he is hanged with people throwing verbal abuse at him….isn’t that inhumane??? No justice has been done for the people of iraq by killing another person, this is a pointless vicious circle that the politicians like Bush are playing and us poor innocent people are caught up within. No one has the right to kill another person, if anything he shouldv’e been given life til death if they wanted to really punish him. I don’t condone what Saddam did but then Bush seems to add fuel to fire!
At the end of the day Saddam did a better job at keeping Iraq under control. Feudal societies need leaders that know how to keep control. Is Iraq any better now than what it was. Would you live there now? Take your kids let them play in suburban Baghdad. Sunni and Shiite’s will now fight “Under the blanket of Democracy”, until another dictator comes to power when the Coalition leaves those poor souls to there own fate. Stop thinking democracy is the answer! But I guess its human nature to tinker with things that aren’t broke then fix them with Band-Aids, sweep it under the carpet and forget about it. Moral of my rhetoric, “Don’t fix what wasn’t broke”. 3000 Coalition solders and, countless innocent Iraq’s are dead… for what.
More coverage of the Saddam execution – unedited video of hanging along with Letter from Saddam Hussein to the People of Iraq
http://www.crusade-media.com/news40.html
Mr Arnett, correct me if I am wrong. But are you white, racist and possibly even zionist? It makes sense because I dont understand that as a fellow human being, how you can value American lives over others. Its the same in Israel. For some reason, israeli lives seem to be worth more than any other palestinian, is it because you are the ‘chosen people’? You seem to think that USA are ‘always correct’. Have you forgotten the blood stained history of your ‘great nation’. Its quite a joke dont you think. How can you have the moral highground, when you dont have a leg to stand on. I admit, politically, you guys have smashed it. But morality and religious extremism in politics is rife in the whitehouse. The most likely suspects are the neo con evagelists and the Jewish Zionist lobby.
The west are responsible for the deaths of the Kurds and the Shias. There is no smoke without fire.. fact.. if the deaths by saddam were the smoke, then who supplied the Fire (chem weapons), I believe that was Germany and supported by the West including your ‘elected’ president.
Saddam was a bad person, because he killed people with his orders.
Bush is a good person, because he killed more people with his orders, oh and also he is American so he has to be good, right?
Blair is a good person, because he also killied millions with his orders, but its alright, he’s British.
When do we end these double standards?
Arnett, if you are living in this world for material reasons, money, wealth, power etc, then you are a very shallow and sad person. There is more to life than money and power.
I agree with FredJones, a country such as Iraq needed someone like Saddam. Every country and their people are different. Could we have Bush running any other country? I think we all know the answer to that one. common sense tells us that, but Mr Arnett seems to be falling on that and listening to his bank manager instead.
Arnett, you are such a fool, you dont have any facts and just make up facts thinking people will believe you. Please dont put up misonformation as most people will tend to believe the rubbish coming out of your putrid mouth.
I have one last question to my American friends and especially the ignorant Mr Arnett. Since Iraq was invaded because of the following which keep changing:
911 – no terror links
Al-Qaeda – no members found in Iraq at the time
Invasion of Kuwait – Was that not part of Iraq until Britain divided it?
Broken UN resolutions – Havent Israel broken the most and US support it?
Gassing of the Kurds – didnt you guys approve of this and Saddam was your friend?
Went to war with neighbours – Didnt you guys take his side and provide him with arms?
Threat from Saddam – Has he ever attacked you?
To spread freedom – How about freedom from poverty? Is Iraq free now?
I take it the war had nothing to do with securing oil for the worlds most hungriest oil consumer economy and getting another permanent military base in the Middle East.
I look forward to hearing some answers. Thank you all. Peace Love and Unity.
As an Iraqi i am really proud of such a moment getting rid of the worst dictator the history have ever seen and to those who claim that Eid is a time of peace and sadam shouldn’t be executed during these days i would say look at your horible deeds first, then criticise others. You are killing the innocent people around the world at all times and without mercy. Just to remind you of the innocent people who killed in the twin tower and those who killed in Madrid and now hundreds of Iraqies are killed in the streets of Baghded every day. Of course you don’t feel sorry for these people but you feel sorry for sadam. I think you and Sadam are the same and the only difference is that you don’t have the power to do what he did and that’s it.
“Typical Left Wing twisting of the truth.” – Arnett
As opposed to the right side categorically denying global warming exists?
Republicans messed the country up and its time for change as demonstrated by the recent elections. $70 Billion trade surplus during the Clinton era was turned into a $225 billion deficit by Bush. Im not a big fan of the democrats either as they are both corrupt, but what i cant stand is this pompous attitude of the republicans acting as if they do no wrong and then a couple months later there is another scandal from them.
One other thing that angers me is the republicans attempt to spotlight Liberal media as the cause of the problems while never acknowledging their own media powerhouses. Media is relatively split with republicans controlling radio and a fair share of television and Dems controlling a good share of television.
Finally the last thing that angers me is the people from other countries who try to comment about America. You have no business trying to vocalize your opinion about our country, especially when your country was saved by us in multiple wars (Looking at you France) and is crumbling internally faster than America is. I wish sometimes that we would just pull all of our financial aid to other countries and just stop caring about them because all they do is publically berate us yet eagerly accept our aid.
And don’t even get me started about the U.N. what a freaking joke, we are the WORLDs ONLY SUPERPOWER (again looking at you France as well as the UK) at the moment and to be told what to do by an idiot from a country with a GDP less than many of our richest INDIVIDUALS is an outrage.
The world needs America whether you like it or not. America is the first one to bring aid in a global disaster and even though we are criticized for not doing enough by countries that donated over six times less than what we did (looking at you France again. http://www.cfr.org/publication/7792/tsunami_disaster.html#2 ), we will continue to help those nations in trouble.
In closing, France sucks, politicians in general suck, and Clinton Rules!
John Spencer the muslim nation isn’t so high and mighty as you would like to believe. One instance I am reminded of is the the dutch cartoon depicting Big Mo with a bomb under his turbin ( http://www.thepalmbeachtimes.com/Pictures%20folder/Pictures/Danish/danish011.jpg ). Using the great wisdom taught to them over centuries the muslims banded together to disprove the dutch idea that the muslim people are violent and even suicidal at times. To do this, they violently rioted for many days destroying building.
And John Spencer yes certain people’s lives are worth more than others. When a group of people such as the Palestinians raise their own children to be a suicidal weapon in a war, I begin to think of them as a weapon not so far from a gun or a tank. They have lost their sense of humanity and their single purpose is to take out as many people as they can, almost exactly like a bomb dropped by the USA ( Go USA!!).
America has a long history of trying to avoid collateral damage whenever possible, but today we face a new kind of enemy, an enemy that hides bombs on women and kids, an enemy that publically beheads non-combatants, an enemy that wouldn’t hesitate from killing American civilians if given another shot, and to fight this unconventional enemy we have to use unconventional tactics if that means killing a few non-combatants to kill the combatants then so be it, but it is not our goal to kill civilians.
lets examine this
911 – no terror links
(its a war on terror not war on ppl who caused 9/11 thats too long to print on the t shirts)
Al-Qaeda – no members found in Iraq at the time
(They certainly are there now though)
Invasion of Kuwait – Was that not part of Iraq until Britain divided it? ( No it wasn’t In 1899 it became a British protectorate until it declared independence in 1961 “This declaration was challenged by Iraq which claimed that Kuwait was an integral part of Iraqi territory. It threatened to invade Kuwait but was deterred by the British, who flew in troops.” Thats like saying Austria was part of Germany because hitler considered it to be.)
Broken UN resolutions – Havent Israel broken the most and US support it?
(lol did you even read any of those resolutions most of them just condemn israel for defending against egypt and the constant attacks against palestine please tell me if one broke a condemnation, wouldn’t that be a good thing since they are no longer being condemned. Please get Your facts straight before you criticize others http://www.ifamericansknew.org/stats/un.html )
Gassing of the Kurds – didnt you guys approve of this and Saddam was your friend?
(we would never approve of this we were the ones helping the kurds try to rally against saddam again i refer you to the phrase below)
Went to war with neighbours – Didnt you guys take his side and provide him with arms?
(i guess you have never heard of the phrase Then Enemy of my enemy is my friend we supported saddam to get rid of our bigger enemy at that time granted it did cause us trouble later on butthat is history)
Threat from Saddam – Has he ever attacked you?
(this has to be the stupidest question ive ever seen we fought a war we attacked him he attacked us need anymore description? if so look up the definition for war)
To spread freedom – How about freedom from poverty? Is Iraq free now?
(You want America to solve all your problems for you damn your worse than the French. We are spending Billions to help build an infrastructure for ingrates like you which takes a long time to build. Iraq is free they held elections a short time ago which is a democratic process. Iraq is free but it is not safe at the moment because of crazy suicidal terrorists that dont value human rights as much as you apparently do)
America 4 homecoming King!
France 4 homecoming Queen!
Sorry, I could not read every comment, but I was stunned and amazed by the comments I read. First, for those masters of the morphemic structure of the English language, (do you know who you are?), those living lexicons with a propensity for profundity, namely: garbagebush, the brat, bushasshole, bacnoz, julius caesar and goofy, did all of you attend the same liberal school, the one who does not believe in teaching and learning, but ascribes to building self-esteem for the sake of self-esteem? When you must resort to using vulgarity to express your point of view, it tells the reader that you are uneducated and not to be taken seriously. I hate to burst your self-esteem bubble…pop!
In contrast, I did enjoy reading Smitty, Aub, Arnett, Wow and Red-White and Blue. Thanks for the intelligent responses. You ROCK!
what is this i want to see him hang because i think he is still alive and “he got what he deserved”
I’m not liberal by any means. I truly am against gun control (gun bans mainly) and I’m a good driver who prefers not to keep 30 bumper stickers on the back of my car. Between John Kerry and Bush I voted Bush. (Kerry was such a poser) However that doesn’t mean I can’t question Bush’s leadership. I feel people have already forgotten why we’re in Iraq. Remember bush made that whole argument with the Weapons of mass destruction and the connection to 9/11? Now we see that those were all unfounded. (Why are we in Iraq again?) Shouldn’t we be spending the most amount of resources in Afghanistan looking for the real person responsible for the 9/11 attacks? (Osama) I mean we impeached Clinton for lying about his sex life, what about Bush? How come there are still people who still so blindly support this war in Iraq? I have nothing against killing Saddam and removing him from power, he caused a lot of suffering. However, Iraq couldn’t have just been for the goodwill of its citizens; really what a lousy reason to start a war. We might as well declare war on all the African warlords. (They cause a lot of suffering too.)
My point is Bush is probably lying. We aren’t in Iraq because of WMD’s or 9/11 it’s probably another reason that I’m not going to speculate on. But it’s already too late, we made the mistake that is Iraq and we can’t pull out until the jobs done. However, don’t EVER forget the REAL reason why we’re at war, to fight to kill the terrorists responsible for the 9/11 attacks. We need more troops in Afghanistan and we need to find Osama.
According to Mr. Angel, we should all “Open [our] eyes and taste the blood before [we] are next!!!”
Considering the way this president has consolidated power, treated civil liberties and accused everyone not named Bush or Cheney of being disloyal and unpatriotic (not to mention just plain stupid), maybe we SHOULD worry about being “next”. Unfortunatly, the larger threat comes from our OWN ethnocentric zealots.
(Love all those EXCLAMATION POINTS !!!! and CAPITAL LETTERS, not to mention the mixed metaphors.)
Are you kidding me. If it truely were as bad as you say it is we would be watching our neighbors, friends, and family all moving from the states. Because I wouldnt want to live in a country where “we SHOULD worry about being “next”. I too know many who would do the same.
i just wanna sai all the muslin are hypocrite that why muslin not going to have peace in this life and then i hop god going to give the world a men who gonna hang up bush,dick Cheney,donald ronsveld and tony blair like sadam
I think If you’re going to leave a post disrespecting our president and the way he has handled the war and Sadam you should first have the facts strait. Bush and the U.S. didn’t trie Sadam it Iraqy people did he had nothing to do with when Sadam was executed. In my opinion he should have never been given a trial at all. I think with him gone we will have more success in Iraq. The insurgence have nothing to fight for now. I belive the way to win a war is to rmove the enimey’s will to fight. As for Bush if you think you can do a better job go for it start by possibly taking your ass to your local recruiting office and serving your country rather thank bitching about it.
How do you remove the enemy’s will to fight when the enemy appears to be 61% of the population of the country you’re occupying? At the end of the day, one would think their motivation is always going to be stronger, because it’s their country and they can’t go anywhere else, but you can.
This has to be the funniest post I’ve ever seen.
No, seriously, it is. :P
The far left is here, saying that Bush is stupid, Bush should be held on trial, Bush should pull out immediately, blah blah blah…the far right is retorting that Bush is amazing, he’s trying as best as he can, stay the course, blah blah blah.
Has anyone actually thought that, instead of just leaving and letting this fragile little republic collapse faster than I can snap my fingers, or “protecting” the Iraqis and getting hit by the insurgency every other day, we come up with a solution to stabalize the country through the Iraqis? If the country is as soverign as it claims to be, then it should be perfectly fine using its own army and own government, which, if I have not been lied to and the Iraq War is a conspiracy (a conspiracy I’m actually surprised our “Bush is a terrorist” friends haven’t suggested), it is incapable of doing.
Instead of putting our funding towards only our Army, what we should do is put more effort than there already is towards 1. the Iraqi Army, and 2. the government, both of which I haven’t heard or seen much about (in the media). Then we can get to the next task after the country is stabalized: evaluating the war. It seems to me that, in history, it’s always worked to fight the war, then look at what went on.
I’ll be honest, I’m just a 15-year-old kid tossing around some extremely loose ideas, but am I at least making a point?
I hate to burst your bubble pop!
Mad mouser you are a poser!
You are making sense Epsilon and indeed, the polling data I posted above suggests that the majority of ordinary Iraqis would enthusisatically support your proposal, at least in respect of the Iraqi army, they have rather less respect for the Iraqi government because a lot of them see them as US stooges. That might change though if the US did as you appear to be suggesting, pulled its troops out and concentrated on supporting Iraqi-led reconstruction from a considerable distance.
The big problem most (78% according to the polls) of Iraqis seem to have is that they believe the US wants permanent military occupation of their country and would not leave if the government asked them to. This strongly correlates with support among ordinary Iraqis for attacks on US troops (61%). If you demonstrate that you’re leaving, then a lot of these problems go away.
Which is exactly why the Iraqi Army needs to be trained. Now, I’m no Iraqi, but one thing I know about nationalism is that people like to see their own country doing the heavy lifting. Proving that the Iraqi Army, not the American, is able to take on the insurgency may give the Americans enough slack to pull out a linear amount of troops.
As for the government, you do have a point there. I’ll need to think on that.
And thank you, caractacus. :)
Getting back to the question in hand: if the media has no problems showing iraqi civilians or soldiers being killed by invading forces, then it has an obligation to show the other side of the story , especially if its being received in the homes of those with the most to lose (their children). Sending your child to war in the 21st century and thinking he or she is going to face nothing but a bunch of stonethrowers means you’re out of touch. To show one and not the other, however, is not right, whichever side you’re on. Discretion with one and not with the other is not going to get you any new friends. But then, if its not balanced, vote with your remote control.
And the supermarket-tabloid-racist comments about france? you should probably let those go – makes you sound really stupid.
I did like the comment from John about going and serving your country: maybe if Bush had done that instead of drinking beer in Alabama , the middle east might be a little less of the shitstorm that it is today….(light blue touchpaper and retire to a safe distance…)
Well, that’s odd. My comment is appearing before my other one. O_o
Now I have read on here that people are saying that the iraq war is not our own.. well was vietnam or the korean war..NO!!! but guess what that is what a country that has the resources and the power does! They go and help out the underdog they help the repressed people of a country do away with the evil in this world… This the problem with people these days. they sit on thier couches and watch cnn or any other of these crap stations and believe what ever they say. Now are you willing to stand up to a bully and put them in thier place when you can.. probly not because you are a coward the first time you see blood you run. i am former military and i am a fire fighter and i am this person becuase i believe in standing up for the little guy and making sure the people that can’t defend themselves are protected. I can only hope some of you can see this as a good trait!
The problem with that argument is that 7 out of 10 Iraqis would like US troops to leave within a year and 6 out of 10 feel so strongly about this that they support attacks on them.
So assuming that the the ordinary Iraqis (as opposed to the hooded death squad goons chanting about Allah that they call a government) are the ‘little guys” here, it’s pretty clear that the honourable thing to do is respect their wishes and leave.
I’m continually amazed at the number of American citizens that don’t understand the governmental workings of their own country. Bush is continually blamed for the war in Iraq. Being President of the United States does not give one carte blanc to do what he wishes. War is declared not by the President but by our own representatives. This would be part of the “checks & balances” provided to us in our own Constitution. Rather than blame the figurehead, blame the Senators and Congressmen that we voted into office. Yes, the President signs the Declaration of War, but if he chooses not to, he can be overridden by a two-thirds majority of the House and Senate.
I’ve learned that those who shout loudest and longest are generally the ones that know the least about that which they choose to disdain.
Hmm.. Interesting Cindy,
So you say you do understand the inner workings of our so called “Democratic Government”? Please tell us more. So who’s mouth was it that addressed the Nation about the grave situation in Irag? and loyally told us that Iraq had WMD? Bush, and his clan of Idiots, not the Senate. So who’s family was it that has oil ties with the Bin Ladins that goes back to the Soviet occupation of Afghanistan and possibly could benefit immensely from an overthrown oil rich Iraq? Bush, not the Congress. So who was the guy who said “we have more important issues” when told of a possible attack on American soil by the CIA intelligence prior to 9/11 was it the congress? was it our honest and perfect Senators? No it was your innocent and honest friend, Bush. Perhaps you may know what its like to Be a Senator or perhaps a Congressman who votes against a President on an declaration of war after he address the nation with the scary notion that “we are not safe”….not so smart for that ever important reelection bid is it?
and then again at that time who controlled the Senate?….Hmm could that be Republicans? FYI the vote was 77-23.
The majority of the Senate and Congress are agenda oriented puppets that behave when told what to do but they were not the ones perpetuating the lies. It was The President and his clan of super-smart investigators who brought the bogus bill to the senate in the first place. You cannot blame the Senate for the war, if the Senate would have voted against the President on Oct 11/2002 the nation would have been outraged.
Wake up Cindy, When it comes down to it, George Bush Sr and Jr started this war ball rolling long before you could probably read.
So who really understands the governmental workings of our own country? The same people who support the war…and listen to Pat Robertson.
Iraq doesn’t exist… we;re not winning in Iraq because it doesn;t exist. The sShites, sunnis and Kurds exist. But the European unions created Iraq and then Saddam used his iron fist to force everyone to get along or be killed. Not much option there. So now he’s gone we want to jam our American Democracy on them. PLEASE! They don’t get it because it’s not part of their culture. It means nothing to them. THe shites will have all the power and all they will do is kill the Sunnis, And the sunnis will be upset and kill the Shiites. It’s a very bad cycle of hate that has gone for centuries. Democracy won’t cure it. We should just split the country in thirds… Sunnis in the middle, SHiites in the South and Kurds in North. Have the Swiss divide up all the oil revenues equally per capita. US and Arab forces police the neutral areas to keep everyone in their place.
What’s the definition of insanity…doing the same thing over and over again and expecting to get different results. Isn’t the Senor Bush is doing?
Good point…
@author: you really don’r get it, do you? cnn is obvious us-propaganda. What fuels white us-american anger and racism more, watching the killing of Saddam Hussein or watching the killing of us-american soldiers? Mhm?
@Terrill: democracy is not part of middle-eastern culture, yea? What do you know about that culture? Mesopotamia had one of the earliest legal codes ever, 1760 BC the Code of Hammurabi was formulated and carved into stone. White people were not even able to write back then.
Later, when the Prophet Mohammed died, the Muslims elected their chief.
Besides, which culture would it be that owns democracy, surely not Europe or US-America with their corporate media, their racism and Guantanamo?
Good that a bad man for mankind is punished. Now who will punish Bush for his decisions of killing so many innocent children, ladies & bread earners in Iraq & Afghanistan. Was it fair to destroy 2 countries? They were better before the war. Saddam was better for Iraq before Bush entered in that country. Situation has gone from bad to worst… Bush has killed more innocent people than 10 Saddams could kill. America will have long-term bad effect because of the stupidity of Bush. And now Bush wants to enter in Iran also??? Has he gone mad?
Let us kill hate from every heart, spread love, live & let live.
Pfft. Who cares if footage is shocking. News is for adults. They should show everything–gassed Kurds, the full Saddam hanging, the bodies of the dead US soldiers and Iraqis. That way maybe people will think a bit harder before sending troops off somewhere–it has real, gruesome consequences. If you can’t bear to see that, you have no right to start a war.
I think Europeans tend to be more squeamish about starting conflicts these days because they still live in cities that show signs of bomb damage, have relatives with horror stories, and overall have a more visceral understanding of what war really means. Sometimes it’s necessary, but you’d better be damn sure you understand the inevitable result.
Excellent point about CNN! It’s time to boycott that socialist channel. What a point of view. It’s hate America first.
So the press is upset that the people got to see the truth! The unfailing moral compass of the “media” is outraged that the people were able to see the actual execution instead of the blurry photos they had pre-approved for publication.
Did anyone notice the lead stories after the hanging all talked about how Saddan panicked in his last moments? That changed pretty quickly when the truth got out. How can the media control your opinion when you have access to video of what really happened? This cannot be allowed.
DEATH TO THOSE WHO RELEASED THE VIDEO! Just don’t expect to see it in the media, unless you pay for their streaming video feeds.
one day bush will die da same.
hope he does and blair 2.
Saddahm deserved to die
mick is right
so is Hoi Poloi
@saskialouise: I couldn’t have said it better. After all, any “pro-American” news is being channeled directly into the minds of white racists, channeling their energy and making them stronger every second!
@Charlie: Bush should be ashamed for going to war for the direct purpose of killing innocent lives. I mean, how could he do that? I mean, we thought it was the insurgents killing Iraqis, but noooo. And to think he led us to believe we were trying to stabilize Iraq.
@veltis: Gassed, completely innocent Kurds would want me to keep out of war. I see your logic completely.
@Mick: Those silly socialists, infiltrating our news! Man, when will they ever stop their shenanigans?
@Hoi Poloi: Sorry to break my consistency of sarcasm in this comment, but you may want to read this. It directly mentions that leaked video.
@anisa: lol i agre w/ u bush is a n00b
Hilarious. :P
The lying liberal media love to show loyal American soliders being killed but do not like showing the execution of Saddam Hussein. How disgustingly hypocritical can the media get? If the person being killed is a conservative or a Republican or a Christian or an Israeli, the elite media love to show all the gory details. But, if the person being kileld is a liberal or a Democrat or a Christ-hater or a Jew-hater, then the elite media do not want to show anything. The media are a total disgrace to the human race.
Well you know Bob, I was out in Liverpool city centre where they’ve got one of those giant screens in the square and it was showing the video. So if the BBC are your idea of lying liberal media, which I presume is the case, I’m sorry to tell you they were showing it about 80 foot high.
Perhaps the disclaimer is due to a knowledge of their business… for example I have yet to see any of your posts acquire a number of comments remotely close to this one. Likewise CNN is aware that this footage will attract a much broader range of viewers to which they must pay attention to these kinds of things.
My suggestion… stop whinning and develop some perspective before you leap into the fiery pit of objection.
To those who trash talk about Bush: You guys need to grow up. Trash talking about someone is juvenile when no _real_ facts are stated. China is the biggest country in the world (population wise, according to http://www.aneki.com/populated.html, whose source refers back to the CIA World Fact Book), so in no way could Bush kill ‘zillionz’ of people. I don’t think there are even that many in the entire world. The world population is still at the billions mark (6,525,170,264 in the July 2006 estimate from “https://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/print/xx.html” – CIA World Fact Book) (“World population growth will continue. World population has reached 6.6 billion in 2006, up from 6 billion in 1999, and is heading toward 8 billion by 2025. Ninety-nine percent of that growth will be in developing countries.” – According to the Population Reference Bureau). Both sites indicate an estimate over 6 billion, but under 7 billion. And besides, for people to take you as a serious intelligent human being, you need to be sure you spell your words correctly in the format of the language you use. Sure the bigger words may stump you in the English, but everyone here should be able to spell “zillionz” and “zillions”, even Mozilla Firefox 2.0 recognizes “zillions” instead of “zillionz”. Professional Journalists have to take a lot of English related classes to get the good jobs they have now. If you can’t spell it, look it up in a dictionary. It often helps. Throwing out fictional numbers can make you look unintelligent, especially when you can find the facts online or from someone with first-hand knowledge. You all hate Bush because he had the balls to take action while other people wanted to procrastinate. Oh, but i forgot, you all must love to sit on your lazy arses and bitch and complain. Have you guys voted? If not, sit down and shut up! I bet the majority of the Bush complaining people on here didn’t vote. If you didn’t vote, then don’t start bitching when someone you don’t like comes into power. It’s your own fault that the guy you don’t like is in charge. That one (1) single vote could have made the difference. I didn’t vote, but you don’t here me bitching about Bush doing something I don’t like. That’s life, and I’ll live with it.
I credit Arnett for his/her comments, which contain opinions that are back-up in some way.
For those against the death penalty: What goes around, certainly does come around. People who kill, obviously knew what was coming to them. Prison and Therapy cost money. Prison certainly costs the country money to provide food and other needs to criminals who couldn’t just do the right thing. Guess what, our money in the taxes goes to the government, which then in turn pays for the military, and other government ran institutions including prisons. Talk about a waste of money, we are paying criminals to live in prisons when those criminals could have been good citizens and get a job and pay for their own living expenses. I personal like the death penalty because then my money isn’t wasted of a criminal bum who can’t take care of themselves. I’d rather go up to some random person who is having a difficult time trying to straighten his/her life up, take him to McDonald’s or some food place and help him get his or her life back on track rather than paying for a government ran prison for criminals who commit the same crimes over and over again because they are too lazy to get a job and just follow the laws that are set in place. There is a line that we often should not cross, and nine (9) times out of ten (10), criminals cross the line that should not be crossed, and they get off easy with free food, and a place to sleep while we are stuck paying the bill of their crime. Saddam killed people, and he got what he deserved. The Iraqi officials did one thing right: they took care of a criminal and didn’t have to pay for food and a place for him to sleep in a jail cell. They just saved money that way. Also, Hitler brought his own justice to himself. He shot himself. No one else forced death upon him.
And it is true that media have become one-sided. Even though the media was based on the principle to bring forth the facts without taking any sides, the media today is slowly erasing that principle from their networks.
Here’s to the hopes of seeing the assasination of Osama Bin Laden soon too. And I hope it is shown even more so the extremists pop their heads out even more so we can have better targets. God Bless the troops and President Bush for staying the course to help liberate our fellow man.
You nailed it Tim.
The mainstream media was reluctant to show any video of Saddam’s ending. It’s well documented at sites such as Poynter. Yet CNN has no problem paying for snuff videos by Islamo fascists that show our American volunteer army being executed.
See sadbastards.wordpress.com
exactly Mick, the us-american corporate media (which is only by itself considered free, but not by any independet media analyist) show the killings of US-soldiers to make people like you angry and turn you into racists, into Muslim-haters so in the end you’ll be brainwashed and support the poor abused troops who get killed so Bush gets enough oil for the industry who pays him.
I’m German, I learned in history class how things like that work.
Ok, I only read about half of these responses but it was enough to tell me this. #1 I am fighting for a country full of ungrateful assholes. #2 Some of you people are just plain ignorant, Look at this shit! If we didnt have people like President Bush we wouldnt have the country we have today. If they were all a bunch of tofu fartin’ fairies like half of you people back in the 17-1800’s then they never would have had the balls to form this country. Now I just recently joined the national guard, as an infantryman. A fact I am very proud of. Reading these posts made me realise how oblivious you people are. Arnett you fucking rock man! Tell them whiney ass emo bitches whats what! Saddam deserved worse, but i suppose now he is meeting the ultimate judge, and my guess is it isnt going too good.
they show american soldiers so that we feel sorry for them
But saddam!!!!he deserve it
bush is such an asshole.who gave bush d right 2 execute saddam????????hw many hav bush killed???????nobody wants 2 talk abt dat??????america was a great supporter of saddam.vat hpnd nw???????he became d enemy coz he attacked d oil fields of kuwait.im sure bush vil pay 4 dis.im also positive dat bush wont have d courage 2 face death as d former iraqi president did.it needs a lot of courage & its what bush lacks.
I introduced myself with my first log and used interdependence as my theme. I we look close at the changes taking place in the world with the tech gadgets, and blogs, cameras, global exchanges, corporation employees as whistleblowers, the Bush Administration leaks, it is no mistake that the photos, newsreals, and circumstances that are disturbing will come to the surface. There’s no hiding our deceptions and dirty laundry anymore. In a way it’s good, especially for the global corporations and governments that take advantage of other poorer countries and exploit the resources with the help of their governments. There’s an Armenian saying, “when the herd switches directions, the lame become the leaders.”
You know it’s interesting that CNN vowed discretion with the Saddam execution video. They went ahead and translated it. They couldn’t resist. The more sensational, the better.
CNN is for the German girl and all the sheeple hoping for a socialist government like France and Germany. Join the CNN and Citgo Boycott.
CNN also showed the beheadings of Americans, before we invaded Iraq.
The blood thirsty Islamo fascists will find any reason to kill and behead. The socilasts will find any reason to blame Bush. We see through the propaganda. See http://sadbastards.wordpress.com
RE. comment from Wilkie: “If we didnt have people like President Bush we wouldnt have the country we have today”: well, i have to say i couldnt agree with you more……..
by the way, what exactly is a “whiney ass emo bitch”?
And Boycott CNN? I agree – Larry King is seriously crap.
It all about who can the be the first to show, post or talk about who did what and where today. I really feel we need someone to talk about the real issues and stop blaming the left, right. middle or upside down! We have border issues, school education that ‘s a mess and a war that everyone want to put there hands in. I wish everyone this year would start talking about how they are willing to help and work together for a better future…
@epsilon: No, you don’t see my logic. I’m not joining this little partisan food fight. I’m not saying war is never justified and it should never happen. I’m saying the news should show EVERYTHING, both the grisly reasons for war(like the gassed Kurds), AND the grisly reasons against it. Fair is fair.
Why make things pretty for the audience at home? They need to understand that invading a country is not a video game, and seriously bad stuff happens to real people. THEN they can decide if starting that particular war is actually worth the cost.
@Mick: What’s your problem with socialist governments? They’re not perfect, but they have their own strong points. I’ve lived in the US and Finland, and if I was forced to choose a system, it would be a toss-up, or maybe a combination of the two.
Finland doesn’t have 2 million illegal immigrants coming in every year to take care of, right?
Mick, the US could never keep up their economy without their illegal immigrants and it’s not 2 Million but about 600.000 are estimated. Funny to hear the offspring of immigrants bitch about other immigrants like that.
Anyways, I’ll repeat what I was saying once more, since you don’t understand my words but are a fan of Bush, you might understand the words of Hermann Göring, an important Nazi to whom Bush seems to be brothers in spirit. I hope your intellect is able to observe the obvious similarity this time:
“Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country.”
Saskialouise,
I’m glad you see the governmental manipulation, but try to be more open minded. The Democrat Socialists in America are saying we are being attacked by “big corporations” and we are in danger of “destroying our environment” with global warming. “It’s a crisis! We have to do something about it! Elect Democrats!
Saskialouise, will you tell us all that Nazis were National Socialists? A lot of people don’t seem to understand German words and history. By
BTW- I skied with David Hasselhoff and Hanzi Hinterser, And I love Ramstein!
Can someone explain to me what ‘the US wins in Iraq’ is meant to look like?
I’m puzzled by this. Presumably having a bunch of pro-Iranian death squads in power isn’t exactly winning. So what does winning look like?
In other words, what would have to happen in order to hang out a banner saying “Mission Accomplished’ without looking like you were completely detached from any sort of reality?
How are ya Caractacus?
It’s Jimmy! I’m back!
Listen, I totally feel your pain. I agree with you about your reasoning/ criticisms of the way that the Iraqi war is going. Today, U.S. Congressmen and women have pre-empted the expected announcement next tuesday that President Bush will send more troops by telling him to his face that a “Troop Surge” is a baddd! idea….
(http://www.comcast.net/news/index.jspcat=GENERAL&fn=/2007/01/05/556096.html&cvqh=itn_troopsurge)….
…, however, even though there are many critics of the President and many, many, many people have openly criticized President Bush’s obviouse lack of judgment, he seems to find justification for his ingenius ideas of what to do next by those “Britanny Spears Types” of his constituents who believe that one should just support thier President regardless of how rediculous his ideas… These people enable him to continue to drive what is left of our country’s reputation into the ground!
What’s worse than that, is that his continuation of this failed policy is killing many many many more Iraqis, Americans and other “Coalition Forces” that did not want to be viewed as “Against Us” if they were not “With US.”
There is no victory in Iraq…
What we are seeing now is a spoiled brat (Pres Bush) who wants his way… He is basically throwing the equivilant of a tantrum as an adult… It doesn’t matter what responsible adults tell him, he wants it his way… while real threats grow stronger elsewhere in the world… all around the world. As Anti-American candidates are elected in Democracies throughout Central and South America and others are scared to death that Pres Bush will attack them next because he doesn’t seem to have a good reason to Invade/ stay in Iraq… so why would he need a good reason to invade somewhere else… I am amazed at this man!!!!
Well, look on the bright side. At least your President has some ethical standards, even if he got them from reading “Left Behind”
Tony Blair just lies, he knows that everybody knows he’s lying, but until the cops drag him away in handcuffs in the Cash for Honours affair, or someone just strangles the bastard, he’s going to keep on doing it because the only other party that could conceivably get elected are the Conservatives, and nobody over the age of 30 has any doubt that they’d be even more toxic.
Isn’t Democracy Great!
It’s so frusterating to be citizens of Countries that have acted in such a way…
What is “Left Behind.”
@Mick:
Obviously Finland doesn’t have 2 million immigrants–the entire population is only 5 million. But they do have an increasingly significant percentage of immigrants coming in from Vietnam, Somalia, Estonia and Russia. What’s your point?
Regarding illegality: I lived in the US for seventeen years, paid full price for my entire education through college(no financial aid is available to international students), and taught high school for two years, all on a student and temporary working visa. My family invested in American businesses–we did nothing but contribute to the American economy. Every year we applied for a green card. Never got one. So eventually we all moved back to Europe.
Considering how difficult it is to become a citizen, I wouldn’t pass such harsh judgment on those who stay even without legal permission, especially when they’re doing jobs that most Americans won’t do.
Veltis, you are white, don’t you know that the Democrats want massive immigration from races “of color.” That’s the point.
What if he wasn’t white, but a Black/Yellow/Brown/Blue European?
Europeans are not on the Progressive Democrat guest list, no matter what color they are.
WHY NOT SHOWING THE DEATH OF A DICTATOR AND CRIMINAL,, BUT THEY DO SHOW THE BLOWINGS OF AMERICAN SOLDIERES MURDERED,, OR THE ROCKETS THAT HIT ISRAEL AND KILLED INOCENT FARMERS,, CRAZY PEOPLE
its inhumane to watch somebody get hung even after all that he did its not worth a big fuss the people that should get this much media is those that died fighting
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